Brexit ! what will this mean ? ( lets get a good thread going )

[Richard 1234]

Seeing as nearly everything for sale in this country seems to be made in China ...do we have to pay for the "right " to buy from them ?   and can their citizens come to the UK and live , or us go there to live ?  I am not sure I would like to live under their " human rights "   ... however they are not trying to impose them on us are they !!

I lived there for 3 years the human rights probably aren’t great but I do think that if you behave yourself and don’t bother anyone else you will be fine, but that’s from an outsiders viewpoint. A native has problems if they don’t keep their mouth shut or commits crime, the second of which I’ve no problem about and we should take a lead out of their book. The first along with other things is no good and can be quite shocking to “us westerners”

[WesD]

32 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

Depends how you measure our contribution. If it's a proportion of the EU's total income then we're 4th. If it's as a percentage of gross national income, which is pretty much how it's calculated, we're 27th of 27! If it's measured per capita we're 7th.

 

 Since the vote to leave the pound has plunged, inflation risen, the economy slowed, economic forecasts for future growth fallen, productivity fallen.

 

You're wrong. Schengen, Euro, rebate, for example. We have a veto and along with every other Member have input into all the decisions and agreed with all the legislation we have enacted.

 

Well I've heard experts agree. Remain and leave economists agreed that for 10 years it would be bad. After that there was disagreement. It might get better, it might not, and if it got better would we make up what we had lost.

If the UK and the EU don’t know yet what kind of relationship/deal we will have as to be fair they haven’t even discussed trade yet then how can these so called experts know what’s in store?

 

Hmm maybe they should pick 7 numbers for the euros because they can either see the future or they are guessing based on assumption? Which is it?

 

Either way they are filling headlines and that is it because they have no idea. 

[Richard 1234]

If the Government impose tariffs on the imports of the made in China things we all want, yes we will have to pay. On the other hand we have nothing that China wants or needs, they've made that clear. They could impose tariffs on uk imports and their companies would benefit from reduced competition. We put tariffs on Chinese goods and we suffer again through higher prices of things we want and need. Where's the balance of power in that relationship when it comes to negotiating a trade deal.
 
A trade deal with India has already failed because we couldn't agree issues of immigration. What have we got that India needs or wants. Range Rovers maybe.
 
Some one asked why London is seen as global financial centre. London like many major cities has long been a financial centre. It was Mrs Thather who having destroyed the uk's manufacturing base and coal industry saw the financial sector as the answer to the woes she had created. She  reduced regulations, made dealing/trading easier etc so companies moved here. There was also the benefit of being in the EU, the world's single biggest market.

Of course there was no project fear from the remain campaign!
Pro remainers are as bad if not worse than the leave side as you call anyone who voted out xenophobic racist stupid and all the other terms I’ve heard.
There probably is some of that but the pro eu side are just as bad in other ways

[WesD]

24 minutes ago, EdwardC said:

Economic forecasting is exactly that. Guessing on the basis of the assumption

And that my friend is where it falls apart!

 

If the negotiations haven’t yet started on trade which they haven’t soooooo the UK government don’t really know the shape of our trade deals with the EU and the EU don’t yet know the shape of the same said trade deal then how have these so called forecasters got a clue?!?!

 

its beggars belief!

 

Guessing on the basis of assumption! Wow that’s great ........ don’t they have a saying about assumptions down sarf. 

 

I forecast that when we leave the EU if we manage to prosper Greece, Italy, Spain and the likes will want out before it becomes a federal state. Of course that’s based on my assumptions which I openly admit I have plucked from thin air. 

[GreenGui]

You need to start to think in 3 dimensions rather than 2.  But I won't hold my breath...

 

I'm a "remainer" but read this "brexiteer" blog:  www.eureferendum.com

 

He answers a lot of the issues you are all debating to death and not moving forward on.

 

 

 

Edited November 27, 2017 by GreenGui
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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

 
. It was Mrs Thather who having destroyed the uk's manufacturing base and coal industry

Come on Ed, dropping such an obviously ludicrous statement into what (could) be described as a passionate, if misdirected, post does it no credit - it just exposes predetermined political bias which is clouding your judgement.

Thatcher didn’t destroy UK manufacturing and coal industries - that’s down to the likes of Scargill.

[eggsarascal]

4 minutes ago, kevinjohnsonmbe said:

 

Come on Ed, dropping such an obviously ludicrous statement into what (could) be described as a passionate, if misdirected, post does it no credit - it just exposes predetermined political bias which is clouding your judgement.

Thatcher didn’t destroy UK manufacturing and coal industries - that’s down to the likes of Scargill.
 

 

T'was six and two threes.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

T'was six and two threes.

That’d be for another thread Mr E!

[skyhuck]

1 hour ago, eggsarascal said:

T'was six and two threes.

Yawn 

[matelot]

I'd be interested to know if anyone has regretted how they voted in the EU referendum?

 

Before the referendum we were told a lot of scare stories (imho mostly from Bremain) that generally haven't come true. I think we can all agree that life has remained fairly normal since the referendum. Does anyone that voted Bremain now think they would have voted Brexit? Or vice versa?

 

IMHO, people make decisions from either their heart or head. I think Bremainers used their heart to decide how to vote ie they like the idea of a "brotherhood of nations working for one purpose", while Brexiters used their head and coldly looked at the arguments and decided Brexit meant a better quality of life for them and their family.

 

I think the problem Bremainers have is that there are few rational arguments for staying in the EU. All the good things from the EU (ie workers rights, environmental legislation, free trade) could be achieved by an independent UK.