Brexit ! what will this mean ? ( lets get a good thread going )

[Vespasian]

19 minutes ago, matelot said:

Tony Blair wants the UK to stay in the EU. You really trust his judgement?

 

You'd have to be blind not to see the damage the EU has done to the UK and the British people. While at the same time Bremoaners seem incapable to articulate why the EU was good for Britain.

 

Apart from petty insults do you have any arguments as to why we should remain in the EU?

We should stay in the EU because its good for business..  You know, that little thing that keeps everyone employed..

 

Though it isn't the main reason why I like the EU,  its enough of a reason not to want to leave..  I like the EU myself because being in it inculcates in us a sharred sense of destiny. a  brotherhood of nations not unlike the times when Europe was united under the Caesars....

 

You see Matelot, I'm into that sort of thing, looking at events on the grand scale... thinking  big, thinking outside the box..

 

I wouldn't want history to see us as that spiteful nation on the edge of Europe who took their ball away because they couldn't get their way...

 

 

 

Mr Bolam

 

 

Yes you're right, to the victor goes the spoils....  america won we lost....   get rid of your empire and stand on your own two feet... Churchill was a genius... 

 

 

 

 

 

[Vespasian]

8 minutes ago, Richard 1234 said:

You got the first bit right anyway.........

 

And the second.....

[Mark Bolam]

I must have missed school the day they taught us about losing the war(s)....

[matelot]

14 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

We should stay in the EU because its good for business..  You know, that little thing that keeps everyone employed..

Why is the EU good for business? Outside the EU we can do trade deals with the rest of the world? Has EU environmental legislation been good for business? It seems foolish that the EU taxes pollution meaning that heavy industry leaves the EU and goes to China.... EU environmental legislation pushes jobs away and China mess up the environment instead.

[Richard 1234]

 
And the second.....

If that were the case there wouldn’t have been a referendum because you can’t control the result, then maybe there shouldn’t be elections at all for the same reason, then maybe lock people up for speaking out against the dictatorship........

[Gary Prentice]

22 minutes ago, Vespasian said:

when Europe was united under the Caesars.

"United". What a strange choice of word. Wouldn't conquered and ruled be a better choice?

 

That's a bit like saying the Third Reich wanted to unite Europe.

 

And, maybe history won't see us as the country who threw it's toys out of the pram, but the country that identified the problems of the EU, getting out while the going was good and initiating its eventual break up?

Edited November 20, 2017 by Gary Prentice

[Vespasian]

55 minutes ago, Mark Bolam said:

I must have missed school the day they taught us about losing the war(s)....

 

A Pyrrhic victory if your asking me...  we lost an Empire, America gained an Empire..  who won?..

[Vespasian]

39 minutes ago, Gary Prentice said:

"United". What a strange choice of word. Wouldn't conquered and ruled be a better choice?

 

That's a bit like saying the Third Reich wanted to unite Europe.

 

And, maybe history won't see us as the country who threw it's toys out of the pram, but the country that identified the problems of the EU, getting out while the going was good and initiating its eventual break up?

 

People might scoff at the Roman Empire, but remember for those living in it, it meant peace..    not bad when the alternative is every tin pot local leader wanting to subjugate the next tribe down the road..

 

Roads as well, proper infrastructure, running water baths and trade... a wall across Scotland, never a bad idea

 

Look what happened when it fell apart?..   Europeans back to shitting behind a bush....  

 

I also doubt the EU will break up, The Roman Empire lasted a two thousand years if you include the Eastern Empire, the Catholic Church has lasted two thousand years..   European institutions can run for a very long time before they break up..

 

Its more likely Britain never leaves the EU than the EU breaks up.. in that regard its still a toss up if we ever get round to leaving in the first place..

 

[Vespasian]

55 minutes ago, matelot said:

Why is the EU good for business? Outside the EU we can do trade deals with the rest of the world? Has EU environmental legislation been good for business? It seems foolish that the EU taxes pollution meaning that heavy industry leaves the EU and goes to China.... EU environmental legislation pushes jobs away and China mess up the environment instead.

 

Its like an arborist, its much easier for him to work in his local town than to work in the next town down the road..   its just that much easier when you think about it.  

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

I must have missed school the day they taught us about losing the war(s)....

It was mostly in French & Italian!!