Potus ???

[matelot]

I think we can all agree that we should just give Israel back to the Palestinians.

 

No, I think Israel is a democratic beacon in the Middle East. How can the Jews build a modern democratic wealthy country (when surrounded by people that constantly attack them) when so many other countries are cess pits (despite billions in aid)?

 

It's almost if Jewish culture is better than say African culture?

[Luckyeleven]

Is "spade" not a derogatory term for an African American? I hope you weren't being racist?

 

Ah, now that I dont know, call me naive perhaps- but I know it only as a digging implement. Perhaps such things are more in your area specialist of 'interest?'

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

 

I like your use of the term "State of Israel". Using it like it should actually exist!

 

Israel exists because of the misplaced religious concept that an ethnic group of people have a 2000 year old claim on a crappy bit of middle eastern desert. Given that religion is nonsense, and any religion that requires you to amputate bits of your willy doubly so, I think we can all agree that we should just give Israel back to the Palestinians.

 

Vilest post on any forum anywhere.

 

Oh my goodness that makes me sick.

 

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[Vespasian]

Vilest post on any forum anywhere.

 

Oh my goodness that makes me sick.

 

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Are you kidding, its just a rant....

 

Not to mention he has a point, not one shared by me mind.....

 

For what its worth, most Jews are European in origin.. that is to say they have zero ethnic claims to anywhere in the middle east...

 

So, apart from a claim based on their religious upbringing they aught not have even contemplated a claim on Israel...

 

Still it is what it is, whats been done can't be undone, best to move the argument forward....

[TIMON]

 

 

 

I like your use of the term "State of Israel". Using it like it should actually exist!

 

 

 

Israel exists because of the misplaced religious concept that an ethnic group of people have a 2000 year old claim on a crappy bit of middle eastern desert. Given that religion is nonsense, and any religion that requires you to amputate bits of your willy doubly so, I think we can all agree that we should just give Israel back to the Palestinians.

 

 

Possibly one of the most arrogant and naive posts I've ever read on Arbtalk

[10 Bears]

30,000 scientists, 10,000 of which hold phds, have signed a statement that ACC is a hoax. How's that for "consensus"? But like any religion, there will still be faithful believers long after history has proven it a load of tosh. Such is human nature, lord bless 'em.

 

Just reading through the back messages of this thread and came across this quote which struck me as interesting, so I did a little wider reading.

 

Essentially, the following article highlights the flaws in what is known as the Oregon petition, and broadly states that it is a useless measure:

 

30,000 Scientists Reject Anthropogenic Climate Change? : snopes.com

 

But in the interests of comparison, I thought about the counter claim that '97% of all scientists agree that there is ACC' that was mentioned earlier in this thread, and came across this article that identifies where the original 97% claim(s) came from:

 

Climate Change: No, It?s Not a 97 Percent Consensus | National Review

 

Interestingly, the source seems to be a Masters degree student project.

 

Now, both of these are media articles and of course the sources should be subject to further scrutiny, but I feel that there is a large degree of negative reporting on both sides, ie that folk only state the 'truth' as they see it (and as long as it fits with their argument!).

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

 

 

Possibly one of the most arrogant and naive posts I've ever read on Arbtalk

 

[TIMON]

Eloquently put, and I hope that you can see that my simplistic remark relating to the dissolution of Israel was made with my tongue firmly in my cheek. The solution is a complicated one, but I do believe that no solution will ever be reached until Israel stops breaking international law and perhaps even if it is accepted that whilst Israel does exist, it's creation would never have occurred in the 21st century.

 

 

 

Regarding religion, I have no issue with continually highlighting the fact that it is nonsense. Like the belief in the world being flat, it is an antiquated and scientifically baseless belief that dearly hope I'll see the decline of in my lifetime.

 

 

Or the equally implausible belief that "all of this just happened completely by accident and random chance"

 

You forgot to mention Palestinian rockets fired from schools as well while we're on the subject of breaking laws.

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

 

So you are going to object to my post on account of it being personally offensive, but not explain why you do not think that religion is nonsense?

 

To tie it back to the original thread, religion plays a huge part in the US election, so I think the point is valid.

 

It always comes back to your superiority complex ref religion. Hey, you know what, rather a few people disagree with you. Your belief system is a religion in itself anyway.

[TIMON]

 

 

 

Explain why.

 

 

Because when it comes down to it your beliefs are based on your faith in "educated" guesswork. It's not what you believe in that I find arrogant , J it's the way you look down on others who don't share your opinions.