Potus ???

[Johnsond]

3 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

26.9 : 1

 

No worries Dave. I know you're a digital kinda guy, the discussion has moved onto more analogue concepts now. Something can still be very bad, even if it is not quite as bad as a very very bad thing.

 

I'd rank the actions of Israel in Gaza to be on a par with some of the worst Allied actions in WW2, but not as bad as the Nazis, (and Hamas).

 

Out of interest, do you differentiate at all between members of Hamas and the wider Gaza population, largely Palestinian?

 

 

Why do you keep putting up the numbers ratio. ?? We get it !!. WTF is a digital kind of guy 42 never mind analogue concepts. 
 

Something can still be very bad, even if it is not quite as bad as a very very bad thing. 
🤷‍♂️utter crap 42. 

Of course there are probably innocent victims as there are in any conflict but unfortunately HAMAS are the governing power as the Nazis were in Germany. War is brutal. The situation in the Middle East might be a bit better if the nations surrounding Israel stopped supporting the termination of its existence. 
Just as an aside have you ever been to Israel ?? Or any of the Arab states ?? I have and I can assure you that Isreal was amazing compared to any of the others. Mind you I did do a desert driving and navigation course in Jordan years ago which was awesome. 

Edited February 17 by Johnsond

[Doug Tait]

The critical thing I think being missed is that the people of Dresden are comparable to the people in the camps and all the other victims of politically driven wars. They were not the 'third reich', they were victims.

They didn't want their historic city, filled with beautiful architecture, or their homes, their community, levelled to a pile of rubble with the bodies of their friends and family obliterated along with it any more than they wanted the people of Liverpool or Coventry to suffer that fate.

They wanted to work, go to the museum, take sunny peaceful walks in tree lined parks with dappled sun while their children played, much like the people of our cities 

[GarethM]

3 minutes ago, Johnsond said:

Why do you keep putting up the numbers ratio. ?? We get it !!. WTF is a digital kind of guy 42 never mind analogue concepts. 

Probably the sorts that would have to sit down for a sofa discussion regarding the rules of engagement whilst the enemy is actually firing their AK or one of Uncle Joes missing M16 from Afghanistan.

 

Can we shoot the fk that's just killed 3 of ours, please wait your call is important to us you are called 35 in the queue.

[GarethM]

1 minute ago, Doug Tait said:

The critical thing I think being missed is that the people of Dresden are comparable to the people in the camps and all the other victims of politically driven wars. They were not the 'third reich', they were victims.

They didn't want their historic city, filled with beautiful architecture, or their homes, their community, levelled to a pile of rubble with the bodies of their friends and family obliterated along with it any more than they wanted the people of Liverpool or Coventry to suffer that fate.

They wanted to work, go to the museum, take sunny peaceful walks in tree lined parks with dappled sun while their children played, much like the people of our cities 

You do remember a little speech, that said We are at war with nazi Germany ?.

 

You'll be down a Hamas rabbit hole of, you can only target x,y,z even tho the loo roll factory also makes potato masher grenades in the basement.

[Johnsond]

12 minutes ago, sime42 said:

I'd rank the actions of Israel in Gaza to be on a par with some of the worst Allied actions in WW2, but not as bad as the Nazis, (and Hamas).

Fortunately your opinion is worth Jack shit 

1 of those guys who fought for your freedom are worth a thousand of the likes of yourself. Absolutely clueless. This is a serious question have you ever been under fire, in a life or death your or him situation or been on active service?? 

[Doug Tait]

5 minutes ago, GarethM said:

You do remember a little speech, that said We are at war with nazi Germany ?.

 

You'll be down a Hamas rabbit hole of, you can only target x,y,z even tho the loo roll factory also makes potato masher grenades in the basement.

 

You're inventing my thoughts and beliefs to suit your argument.

 

What I do remember is the first hand accounts of people that were given no choice but to be subjected to hell. I'm not distinguishing between races or nationalities or religious beliefs.

[Johnsond]

11 minutes ago, Doug Tait said:

The critical thing I think being missed is that the people of Dresden are comparable to the people in the camps and all the other victims of politically driven wars. They were not the 'third reich', they were victims.

They didn't want their historic city, filled with beautiful architecture, or their homes, their community, levelled to a pile of rubble with the bodies of their friends and family obliterated along with it any more than they wanted the people of Liverpool or Coventry to suffer that fate.

They wanted to work, go to the museum, take sunny peaceful walks in tree lined parks with dappled sun while their children played, much like the people of our cities 

100% Correct Doug just as most of the soldiers on both sides did not want to be there or be killing people. But to look back and judge them as war criminals by using today’s moral standards is just stupidity. End of the day the Allied forces had an obligation to finish the war as quickly as possible with the minimum amount of their own casualties . If that meant destroying cities and inflicting huge numbers of civilian casualties along the way to shorten the war the prevailing mindset at the time was that it was a price that had to be paid by the enemy. 

[GarethM]

Just now, Doug Tait said:

 

You're inventing my thoughts and beliefs to suit your argument.

 

What I do remember is the first hand accounts of people that were given no choice but to be subjected to hell. I'm not distinguishing between races or nationalities or religious beliefs.

Think you'll find I'm not inventing anything, just using your delusional logic.

 

Oh the Germans didn't deserve being bombed, well yes and no. How else are you going to topple for example the Nazis if you don't have the population unmotivated and on its knees financially, by breaking the very structures required to make it operate.

[Doug Tait]

1 minute ago, Johnsond said:

100% Correct Doug just as most of the soldiers on both sides did not want to be there or be killing people. But to look back and judge them as war criminals by using today’s moral standards is just stupidity. End of the day the Allied forces had an obligation to finish the war as quickly as possible with the minimum amount of their own casualties . If that meant destroying cities and inflicting huge numbers of civilian casualties along the way to shorten the war the prevailing mindset at the time was that it was a price that had to be paid by the enemy. 

 

For clarity, I'm not calling them war criminals, and I understand the military argument I'd say (not me personally but I talk to my family who have quite a military pedigree).

Regardless, the experience of all kinds of people that had this inflicted on them was unimaginable.

[Doug Tait]

3 minutes ago, GarethM said:

Think you'll find I'm not inventing anything, just using your delusional logic.

 

Oh the Germans didn't deserve being bombed, well yes and no. How else are you going to topple for example the Nazis if you don't have the population unmotivated and on its knees financially, by breaking the very structures required to make it operate.

 

Well while you've constructed an argument I didn't make around Hamas and how Gerry didn't deserve it, you seem to have missed the salient point that no civilian that is subjected to the actions of a regime deserves to be obliterated in the most horrific manner.

As I said already.

 

Please try not to assume what I believe or how my opinion is formed, you do it every time we engage and you are always mistaken.