Potus ???

[Big J]

No one has really answered my question yet, so I'll pose it again.

 

If Trump doesn't represent a fascist ideology, then what would you consider fascism to be?

 

A useful guide is the 14 early warning signs of fascism, as was displayed at the Holocaust museum in the US:

 

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism

2. Disdain for human rights

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

4. Supremacy of the military

5. Rampant sexism

6. Controlled mass media

7. Obsession with national security

8. Religion and government intertwined

9. Corporate power protected

10. Labor power suppressed

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts

12. Obsession with crime and punishment

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

14. Fraudulent elections

With the possible exception of Rampant Sexism, I would argue strongly that Trump et al are meeting and exceeding the requirements for the other 13 points.

[Steven P]

For number 5 his historic contempt for women might suffice? Things like his infamous "grab them" quote, a belief that he can take what he wants and the way he objectifies women.. all from his stories or the legal battles he has fought as back up to this.

[Big J]

18 minutes ago, Steven P said:

For number 5 his historic contempt for women might suffice? Things like his infamous "grab them" quote, a belief that he can take what he wants and the way he objectifies women.. all from his stories or the legal battles he has fought as back up to this.

 

I agree, though in the context of his current entourage, he has quite a few female MAGA clones in his administration. However, his historic attitude towards women has been awful, as you say.

[sime42]

I think you were overly harsh in your initial scoring. Surely all the Pro-Life, anti women's rights stuff counts as rampant sexism. I'd be fair and give him and the regime top marks, 14 out 14.

 

 

[Haironyourchest]

3 hours ago, Big J said:

No one has really answered my question yet, so I'll pose it again.

 

If Trump doesn't represent a fascist ideology, then what would you consider fascism to be?

 

A useful guide is the 14 early warning signs of fascism, as was displayed at the Holocaust museum in the US:

 

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism

2. Disdain for human rights

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

4. Supremacy of the military

5. Rampant sexism

6. Controlled mass media

7. Obsession with national security

8. Religion and government intertwined

9. Corporate power protected

10. Labor power suppressed

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts

12. Obsession with crime and punishment

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

14. Fraudulent elections

With the possible exception of Rampant Sexism, I would argue strongly that Trump et al are meeting and exceeding the requirements for the other 13 points.

 

J, these lists are old news from 2016. Lefties were losing their shit over Trump then, they still are, and nothing really has changed, except the lefties lost their grip on power.

 

The whole conversation that Trump and the conservative movement in general are fascist is played out and cringe.

 

 

[Johnsond]

Seems the left everywhere not just here have a tendency to be rather shy with the truth. 

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Steven P said:

For number 5 his historic contempt for women might suffice? Things like his infamous "grab them" quote, a belief that he can take what he wants and the way he objectifies women.. all from his stories or the legal battles he has fought as back up to this.

Blagger, 

Answered that simple question yet ??. 

[Steven P]

15 hours ago, Big J said:

No one has really answered my question yet, so I'll pose it again.

 

If Trump doesn't represent a fascist ideology, then what would you consider fascism to be?

 

A useful guide is the 14 early warning signs of fascism, as was displayed at the Holocaust museum in the US:

 

1. Powerful and continuing nationalism

2. Disdain for human rights

3. Identification of enemies as a unifying cause

4. Supremacy of the military

5. Rampant sexism

6. Controlled mass media

7. Obsession with national security

8. Religion and government intertwined

9. Corporate power protected

10. Labor power suppressed

11. Disdain for intellectual & the arts

12. Obsession with crime and punishment

13. Rampant cronyism and corruption

14. Fraudulent elections

With the possible exception of Rampant Sexism, I would argue strongly that Trump et al are meeting and exceeding the requirements for the other 13 points.

 

 

So apart from this list there is a fairly extensive description of what fascism is on Wikipedia and another comparing Trump to many of the descriptions contained in the first.

 

Surprisingly or not the conclusion is that most of Trumps leadership styles mirror the fascism definitions.

 

I'd post the links however I'd very much doubt whether his fans would read much past the first paragraph, however there are search engines that will pick them up very quickly.

 

11 hours ago, Haironyourchest said:

The whole conversation that Trump and the conservative movement in general are fascist is played out and cringe.

 

... and the conclusion out there even if the discussion is played out is yes, he is a fascist.

[Haironyourchest]

37 minutes ago, Steven P said:

 

 

So apart from this list there is a fairly extensive description of what fascism is on Wikipedia and another comparing Trump to many of the descriptions contained in the first.

 

Surprisingly or not the conclusion is that most of Trumps leadership styles mirror the fascism definitions.

 

I'd post the links however I'd very much doubt whether his fans would read much past the first paragraph, however there are search engines that will pick them up very quickly.

 

 

... and the conclusion out there even if the discussion is played out is yes, he is a fascist.

 

Wikipedia is leftist biased. No, he's not a fascist. Arresting people for silently praying and posting memes and coercing injections with job loss and house arrest is fascistic. Britain is fascistic, in some respects, under the current Labor government. Most of the blue stat governors were and are fascistic.

 

Being "a fascist" as a general ideological position is quite different to doing sporadic fascistic type things. If the isolated things become so frequent and normalized that they join up and crowd out the "normal" stuff, then I suppose one could say s state had gone fascist. Or communist. Totalitarian.

 

Calling Trump fascist is intellectually dishonest. A citizen in a red state under Trump has considerably more liberty than citizens of many other Western states. Some of the fascistic offences committed by the Obama and Biden administrations have been cancelled, and leftists perceive this as fascistic. Because they think their own fascistic stuff is really fluffy and cool.

 

It boils down to calling whatever we don't like, fascist.

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

 

 

So apart from this list there is a fairly extensive description of what fascism is on Wikipedia and another comparing Trump to many of the descriptions contained in the first.

 

Surprisingly or not the conclusion is that most of Trumps leadership styles mirror the fascism definitions.

 

I'd post the links however I'd very much doubt whether his fans would read much past the first paragraph, however there are search engines that will pick them up very quickly.

 

 

... and the conclusion out there even if the discussion is played out is yes, he is a fascist.

Any chance of a nice simple short answer on the outstanding question I’ve asked you multiple times Blagger. Better to finish one debate before diving into your trump obsession.