Potus ???

[TIMON]

 

 

 

Fair point Timon.

 

 

 

I have a very hard time being diplomatic regading religion given the vast destruction it causes on a global scale, as well as the huge suffering for millions of individuals around the world.

 

 

And likewise J. I really struggle with having to listen to the philosophical prejudices of the likes of Dawkins et all but I am getting better at it though.

Hitler's final solution was a result of his Darwinian worldview (religion) so we can both argue that one! Stalin's religion of atheism resulted in countless millions dying as well.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

 

Regarding Palestine, I do not condone the actions you describe, but you have to understand it within the context of an oppressed people lashing out in whatever way they feel they can against an ever victorious, gar better equipped and funded oppressor. I don't think any of us would know how we would react until we were subjected to the day to day humiliation that the Palestinians endure.

 

Similarly, the establishment of the Israeli state should be understood within the context of it's conception. Fundamentally important to do so.

 

I'm baffled that anyone could seek to justify or support a terrorist organisation masquerading as a government. Even more baffled and opposed at the prospect (broadly adopted by the harder left) to provide 'foreign aid' which is directly channelled to arms and aggression by that terrorist organisation (whilst simultaneously criticising the other side for doing so.)

 

There are faults on both sides without a doubt. Expanding settlements into outlying territories by Israel is not acceptable IMO, but neither are the consistent attacks on Israel by the PLO - I have directly experienced PLO rocket attacks in Tel Aviv, suicide bombing in Jerusalem and was uncomfortably close to a Syrian border guard massacring Israeli school children near the border in the Golan Heights.

 

Whilst the common cry is that Israel is funded by the West, similarly, the PLO / Hezbolla have their state sponsored funding streams too.

 

I'm a million miles away from being able to suggest any real solutions, far better brains than mine have consistently failed - but I do know that simplistic (even tongue in cheek) comments like your previous are far from realistic or helpful.

 

Accepting that it is a subject area where people can get very excited and animated, I don't mean to cause any offence either personal or to the broader audience, and I appreciate the opportunity to bat the subject around a bit with you.

[matelot]

Regarding Palestine, I do not condone the actions you describe, but you have to understand it within the context of an oppressed people lashing out in whatever way they feel they can against an ever victorious, gar better equipped and funded oppressor. I don't think any of us would know how we would react until we were subjected to the day to day humiliation that the Palestinians endure.

 

However Muslims can't live in peace with any other religion. They cant even live in peace amongst themselves. imho "Israel" is a complete red herring.

 

Islam was at war with Europe for a thousand years, it was only when Europe developed technology that Europe could stop the Muslim world attacking us.

[TIMON]

It will certainly be interesting to see how the new administration will interact with Israel.

It's also interesting to note that (as far as I am aware) there is little if any IS activity in Israel.

[easy-lift guy]

It will certainly be interesting to see how the new administration will interact with Israel.

It's also interesting to note that (as far as I am aware) there is little if any IS activity in Israel.

 

The state of Israel has been in a state of war from 1948 to the present.

if you think that "there is little if any IS activity in Israel" there are in fact

any number of other nations that surround Israel and have as their intended

goal the destruction of the Jewish state. These same countries have surrogate

terrorist groups that are at constant battle with the IDF. As I have stated before

the present regime running the US has no regard for Israel. I believe the 45th President of the US

will have a strong and working relationship.

easy-lift guy

[TIMON]

The state of Israel has been in a state of war from 1948 to the present.

if you think that "there is little if any IS activity in Israel" there are in fact

any number of other nations that surround Israel and have as their intended

goal the destruction of the Jewish state. These same countries have surrogate

terrorist groups that are at constant battle with the IDF. As I have stated before

the present regime running the US has no regard for Israel. I believe the 45th President of the US

will have a strong and working relationship.

easy-lift guy

 

 

I know. It's funny how tiny Israel is portrayed as the evil aggressor in the region.

Like you say, Ted, they are surrounded by countries committed to their destruction. And yet against all the odds, there they are.

[Haironyourchest]

Just reading through the back messages of this thread and came across this quote which struck me as interesting, so I did a little wider reading.

 

Essentially, the following article highlights the flaws in what is known as the Oregon petition, and broadly states that it is a useless measure:

 

30,000 Scientists Reject Anthropogenic Climate Change? : snopes.com

 

But in the interests of comparison, I thought about the counter claim that '97% of all scientists agree that there is ACC' that was mentioned earlier in this thread, and came across this article that identifies where the original 97% claim(s) came from:

 

Climate Change: No, It?s Not a 97 Percent Consensus | National Review

 

Interestingly, the source seems to be a Masters degree student project.

 

Now, both of these are media articles and of course the sources should be subject to further scrutiny, but I feel that there is a large degree of negative reporting on both sides, ie that folk only state the 'truth' as they see it (and as long as it fits with their argument!).

 

Got a point there, but just so you know - Snopes is an elderly couple in a mobile home funded by George Soros and has a hidden Left bias. Just saying.

[the village idiot]

Or the equally implausible belief that "all of this just happened completely by accident and random chance"

 

You forgot to mention Palestinian rockets fired from schools as well while we're on the subject of breaking laws.

 

Just to clarify. Genetic mutations are random occurances. Natural Selection, the driver of evolution, which has created all the natural diversity and complexity on our world is the exact opposite of random accident.

It is very wrong to suggest that Darwinism and Creationism are "equally implausible" beliefs. The evidence that complex lifeforms evolved from the simplest of origins is overwhelming and should be beyond refute.

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the existence of a divine creator.

 

It is an affront to intellectual honesty to suggest that both theories carry the same weight.

 

Not looking to start an argument as this is rather off topic. Just couldn't let this one go uncorrected.

 

[Mull]

Just to clarify. Genetic mutations are random occurances. Natural Selection, the driver of evolution, which has created all the natural diversity and complexity on our world is the exact opposite of random accident.

 

It is very wrong to suggest that Darwinism and Creationism are "equally implausible" beliefs. The evidence that complex lifeforms evolved from the simplest of origins is overwhelming and should be beyond refute.

 

There is no credible evidence whatsoever to support the existence of a divine creator.

 

 

 

It is an affront to intellectual honesty to suggest that both theories carry the same weight.

 

 

 

Not looking to start an argument as this is rather off topic. Just couldn't let this one go uncorrected.

 

 

 

 

 

A nice wee smile at the end of your post VI, I'm sure all religions will be suitably appeased by that.👍😀😀😀

[jomoco]

How many countries, other than Israel, require genetic testing to attain full citizenship rights?

 

http://jlb.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2015/06/16/jlb.lsv027.full

 

Seems a bit peculiar, possibly even racist IMO.

 

Jomoco

Edited November 15, 2016 by jomoco