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Let’s compare a daytime march with a notorious three day bender and compare data. 😂 As usual, you have completely missed the point.

We will never surrender our flag, Sir Keir Starmer says APPLE.NEWS The prime minister said the flag represents "our diverse country" and he will not allow people to feel... Utterly clueless. Obviously totally unaware of how “STAGGERINGLY” well behaved those far right fascist nazi thugs were. I guess if he’s used to the weekly pro Hamas chaos there’s an excuse.

Absolutely “ STAGGERING “ apparently

No thanks I don’t need to with you pests always sniffing around taking an interest. Feel free to run with the hobby one though if you want.

Why don’t you start the thread, it can be all about you then. 😂 My photography is a hobby, I’ve had a few exhibitions internationally, never had any intention of doing it to make money, I have other outlets for that.

Old fella . Can you put up " The Tomahawk Kid " ?

A reasonably profitable one or id not do it, you seem a bit focused on my “ Trakmet hobby mill” I hope your camera thing pays as well. You having a bit of a bad day lad ? , bit like your occasional sour moods back on the old Covid thread. Actually you could start a new thread “ when does a hobby stop being a hobby” you seem to be focused on my hobbies or money making, not unlike another ATL member who genuinely never puts up anything wood related. I class myself to be very fortunate to be able to be making a living doing two things I still enjoy, Sawmilling and Commercial Diving if that annoys you 👍 ATL exists you should know that.

I love the fact that you have created an imaginary ATL especially for yourself, then you can pretend you are actually valid, you do make me laugh. I have invested tens of thousands in cameras, photographic equipment and a darkroom over the years, just like your milling, it’s still a hobby.

Have you sold it now Mark?

Very few marches involve people ‘looking for trouble’ thats not the point. However, with large groups of people trouble can and usually does spill over, I know people who where there, all wrong uns, I can’t remember the last time so few arrests where made, that’s why I am staggered.

Hobby Sawmiller 😂😂 give yourself a shake lad. But you didn’t avoid it did you ??. Who’s the royal “we” spare me the “ you ain’t arb” line eh ffs it’s a well worn one that and would exclude half the guys on here some of whom literally never put a pic of anything timber related up. But yeah you are right i don’t comment on threads I’ve no interest in. 😂😂😂😂😂 still a bit confused I see. The same old ATL names again and again can’t let it be 😂😂

This week I 'ave mostly been holding a grudge.

I don’t but “ how is it staggering “ to you maybe, but not to me it isn’t. I know 3 guys who were there, all ex army with about 40 years service. A retired police man, a paramedic and an inspection engineer 🤷‍♂️none of them look for trouble. It was a simple question.

Why do you need everything explaining to you?

Maybe put a pic up and some idea of what’s happening, how do you mean “ slightest knock” Only Logosol owner I know has had great service with minimal tlc.

This is the thread you need. Barely 2 pages and my posts cover the essentials. Basically the spec you need to run a grab and rotator sucessfully (four aux lines, short dipper) will be special order from new and expensive. And still painfull to use compared to a 2.7t machine. You're probably only looking at 8, maybe even just 6k difference between a new 2.7t and a 2t in the spec you are asking about. Recent prices I've seen for the E19/20 in that spec were 23/34k, the Yanmar 2.7t is available from around 30.5k. Sany or LuiGong often have four lines as standard and are the cheaper end of the market, so worth a look. But don't underestimate the frustration of having a long dipper coupled with a grab and rotator.

Why is it staggering 🤷‍♂️

The minimal violence and lack of arrests are pretty staggering compared to the numbers in attendance.

Might be, I wasn't well when I was up there

1) Knebworth 125 thousand people 2) Glastonbury 250 thousand people Apparently there were 3 million at the March, however, 2.9 million watched it at home on TV with a Stella and a ruby, well it’s the thought that counts.

Mike some of the reporting has been utterly ridiculous, the dramatic wording and over exaggeration is cringeworthy. I read about a police horse apparently being hit by an object “ the horse and rider staggered back” 🤷‍♂️. Mind you this clip from I think “ the guardian or standard, can’t be sure but it made me laugh” the disgusting sight of kids draped in their national flags.

......however, Elon Musk retweeted a picture that clearly shows that the crowds stretched all the way to the Arc de Triomphe in Paris! So his own Grok must be wrong!