kevinjohnsonmbe

Who bent it though Oeuf brouillé? The climber, the guy holding the rope or the gaffer that didn't have supervision of the job?

I don't mean to come across as harsh (it happens whether I mean it or not - the intent is only to present the type of questions you would have to answer if it had been a warm body rather than a headstone), it's YOUR job, it's YOUR customer, it's YOUR look-out! Question - is your climber or you ticketed for CS 40/41 (in old speak) or not?

Face covering police by proxy! That’s “special!!”

That’s progress for ya..... ?

Had my first ‘brush’ with the face coving police today. Shop assistance - have you got a face mask? Me - no Would you like me to get you one. No thank you. It’s COMPULSORY that you wear one! Are you aware of the exemptions? Trounches off (shop worker not me ?) Arrive at till. Observe and abide by floor marking exclusion zones whilst observing dear old lady at next til leaning on counter, ignoring distance markings but dutifully wearing a nugatory face covering. When did people actually become so gullible and compliant, slavishly adhering to the latest strap line and completely abdicating responsibility for personal thought and action? Next stop was the bank. Watched in awe as the hairy assed builder extracted a grubby paper mask from his filthy, mud, shite, cement (and probably, knowing Cornwall) asbestos caked pocket of his shorts and put it on his face. That’s the ticket chopper - that’s so much better....

Did you go in the Crown & Anchor (Stone) while you were up homers? https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/news/stoke-on-trent-news/crown-pub-stone-covid-coronavirus-4380387 Don’t know why I’ve asked - you’re not meant to even be in this thread ? You’ll have to reply by PM....

It was a “Beirut” paper round ???

Get outta the bloody thread then you pup!

Looks like we’re potentially next for lock down then....

That’s a blatant breach of copyright / intellectual property that is! Im sure you’ve cut & paste that direct from one of my annual appraisal reports from back in the day when I had to toe the line, watch my Ps & Qs and mind my own business.... Thankfully, I’m (probably over) enjoying the liberty to be a bit more “Yorkshire” (I like what I say and I say what I bloody well like (in a thick Yorker accent)) since casting off the yoke of oppression that came with corporate responsibility...., ?✊??

@Khriss in ya go ??????

Obesity is a classic example of what I’m interpreting from what (I think) you’re saying....

Or the Welsh NHS

Ooooooookay....... As you like ?

It’s NOT deflection Mark. I’ll be amongst the first to say what I think is wrong in the management of a genuinely unprecedented scenario. What actually IS deflection is claiming that it is deflection so as not to acknowledge the probable reality that Labour under Corbyn would have balls it up even more. It’s shit, but it would have been shitererer. Im not supporting the current regime, in this regard, I’ve said I think they are in a credibility deficiet. It’s not deflection at all, but you are showing that your anti-Tory tunnel vision is clouding your judgement again.

It’s a fair point Mark..... As always, the ‘but’ is coming.... There certainly have been some monumental clangers from Boris and his merry band - Id be amongst the first to recognise and acknowledge that. Maybe in the great debrief of it all it might be demonstrated that central strategic policy and local operational control would have been a better approach - devolution if you like. But the real but is.... Can you even start to imagine how far down shite canal we’d be if Steptoe, Aboot and Ronald McDonald has been in charge? Some times you just have to count your blessing, hold your nose, tuck your tie in and take a huge bite of the shite sandwich ?

I'm all up for a row Mr S but can't think why that would be contentious..... ???

First time I’ve been back to the motherland since lock-down ?

So here comes 24 hrs of news reporting interviews with Donna and Liam of the Benidorm brigade expressing horror, disbelief, shock and outrage because their £235 + 10 vouchers from the Daily Mirror 2 weeks in Spain has been “ruined” and “how can they afford 2 weeks self isolation” shocker because they thought it was a good idea to have a foreign holiday after the stress of 3 months on furlough. What sort of moron would actually think a foreign holiday would be a good idea at the moment? What sort of government would actually encourage / facilitate recreational foreign travel with things the way they are? Really tapped into that rich seam of “common sense!”

Tamar bridge was a hoot on Thursday. Haven’t been across the river to England for ages. Doris in the kiosk had a little stainless steel cup on a pole to collect the shekels. Almost wee’d a drop when she poked it at me ?

That's the Q!

It's a credibility issue for me Mark - like there ain't none... I suspect we will find, with the benefit of hindsight, that poor "mask discipline" (cleanliness, disposal frequency, storage between uses etc) will create more problems than it is supposed to solve. I don't buy it because I feel it being peddled as a false narrative in order to get people out and about again rather than as a real and tangible aid to infection control. It's the perceived dishonesty behind it and the belief that the general public are so gullible as to believe it that really tugs my sack.

These would be valid points but for the glaring omission. Seat belts, chainsaw safety gear, drink driving, smoking ban... All of these comparisons have been made but none of them are really appropriate or relevant to the face covering discussion. Example: The seat belt law - it is the responsibility of the driver to ensure every passenger in a car is suitably belted (unless medically exempt) For the comparison between seat belts and face coverings to be valid it would have to be like, the driver has to wear a seatbelt but the passenger doesn't if they are getting out in a minute, on their way to work, eating a sandwich or having a pint. Clearly, totally ?ing bonkers and would rightly draw derision for the inability to enforce and police it and the obvious illogical nature of the "guidance." Same with chainsaw PPE, same with drink driving etc etc.... The issue with the "guidance" for face coverings is that it is too late, too random, ineffective and not supported by factual data. It is a question of credibility and on this matter the government has none - in my estimation. As for giving confidence to those that may have been shielding - I'd suggest it would be much more efficient and effective if those that feel vulnerable take proper measures to protect themselves rather than seeking to impose improper measures on everyone else. I know that might be seen as more of a self centred position (and it is) but it is also a much more logical position IMHO. Better to properly protect the vulnerable than to improperly fail to protect everyone. I still maintain that this has nothing to do with personal discomfort, inconvenience or awkwardness (well, maybe a bit of awkwardness) but it is entirely an issue of the lack of credibility to support the requirement. The net result of this poorly conceived, delayed implementation will be that morons rely upon bad advice to implement unnecessary measures in an inappropriate manner such that risk will likely be increased through bad practice in relation to face coverings and an increasing apathy towards other, better, countermeasures such as hand washing and distancing. Think about it - what's next? All the lemmings will be piling into airplanes and ?ing off to Marmaris to get sunburned and marinaded in Watney's Red Barrel - it'll all be OK though even though they are packed in like sardines they'll be perfectly 'safe' because they've been wearing gran's crusty nicks on their head for the past 3 weeks....

That would likely be considered to be a very reasonable approach to take if the matter were considered at SCC. On the other hand, justifying a final invoice at 2x the estimate would be a very difficult case to argue (assuming you've presented us with a full and accurate scenario....)