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You've answered your own question there I think. ""The study notes that doctors are the only staff group at the NHS trust in which minority ethnic individuals form the majority"" Which demographic groups in the UK do you suppose are most likely to hold religious beliefs? Seems quite a simple answer to me.

Typo. No consistency.

Didn't people used to go on about how well Sweden was doing without a lockdown? They did bit they haven't been latterly. Funny that isn't it? No consistently.

Maybe you misread my comments again. Religious convictions. Belief beats logic and science every time unfortunately. We see evidence of that on here.

Drs!!!? How do you mean?

Looks beautiful. I've really missed skiing this year and last.

I think you'll find that the main reasons for lower CV-19 vaccine uptake by some groups, within NHS workers, care staff and public, is due to religious beliefs and more worryingly anti-vax propaganda. You seem to stray into the latter at times. You need to consider that not everyone is as strong-willed and intelligent as yourself. Covid-19: How did a volunteer panel react when we showed them an anti-vax video? WWW.BBC.CO.UK We showed eight people a viral video filled with falsehoods. Did it change their minds? Poor common flu vaccine uptake is also an issue. Though nowhere near as serious. The flu vaccine is generally less effective as has already been pointed out so individuals not taking it doesn't have as much impact on an epidemic scale. Also, Covid-19 is a far more serious infection than normal flu, it is not the same. Contrary to your fake news and propaganda being used to downplay the pandemic.

Your second paragraph hints that you don't believe the figures for Covid in the UK, the number of infections, admissions and deaths. Do you think they've been fabricated as well by SAGE or some other body? It's common courtesy to answer questions if another person asks one of you. That extends to forums as well I believe. You had a question about Norway Vs UK. I don't know much about Norway so I can't say anything with authority but I can make a few half educated guesses. Time is probably one of the biggest reasons why the UK cannot use the same relatively relaxed anti-covid measures. We are 12 months TOO LATE! If we had taken the same strict approach as Norway back in February/March 2020 then maybe we could have kept the situation under control and be able to live under more relaxed restrictions. So far we have only ever been reactive rather than proactive in our pandemic response. As lots of different countries around the world have demonstrated: the harder and more rapid the initial response, (lockdown, border control, testing, track and trace etc), the sooner you can return to some semblance of normality. There have been 65,338 positive cases in Norway at the time of writing, with 583 people now confirmed dead. There are 89 people hospitalised around the country, of which 31 are in intensive care. This is a notable improvement from the 163 hospitalised in mid-January.>>>>>>>>> I've just copied that from here:- Coronavirus in Norway: The Latest News on the COVID-19 Outbreak WWW.LIFEINNORWAY.NET UPDATED 10 FEB: Norway's border closure to most non-residents including many foreign workers has been extended to the end of the month. Different measures are in place throughout the country. Read on for full details. If we had stats like that then we could take the Norway approach. I'm almost certain that if Norway had stats like ours (4,038.078 cases, 117,167 deaths, 23,341 hospitalisations), then they would be imposing far, far tougher restrictions than the half arsed attempts that we've currently got in the UK.

Sorry for misleading mate. The comment was actually directed at the subject of your post, not yourself. I meant that he appears to keep showing a lack of empathy in what he writes. Anyways, your language didn't look that bad too me! There's no problem with bad language but aggressive name calling and personal attacks is something else.

Empathy defecit.

Wasting £22 billion on a corrupt pandemic response scheme is bad enough. But for that massive failure to have played a part tens of thousands of people losing their lives and been a significant factor in the financial ruin of hundreds of thousands more is truly criminal.

"World Beating" Great Britain. I imagine NZ's economy must be even more screwed than ours since they enforced a much stricter quarantine almost a year before us.

Got rid of that hacker then, phew. Hope he didn't do too much damage to your reputation.

What types of human behaviour do you mean? Plundering and generally fcking with nature and mass galavanting around the globe types? Very hood call on changing those for the future, but a bit late in this instance, the cat's well and truly out of the bag with this virus.

Are you sure? We'll miss your banter! [emoji26]

The trouble is that these super rich, the likes of Jeff the Amazon guy and Mark the Facebook guy, are pretty much untouchable. No government yet, except the French, has dared to stand up to them. All we can do is hope to get lucky, and wait for them to do the right thing and show some altruism. It's not a great position to be in given that there's so much at stake. There's some hope; Bill Gates seems to have turned to the right side, (cue someone jumping in to contradict me on this point!). Also Elon Musk appears to be championing green technology, but I'm very cynical about that, I don't trust him one little bit. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Episode #24 - Vaccine myths vs science WWW.WHO.INT WHO’s Dr Katherine O’Brien busts some vaccine myths related to infertility, DNA and composition of vaccines in this week’s Science in 5.

Obviously there are plenty of others that share your viewpoints. I'm not intentionally focusing on you pair. It's just very hard not to when you're by far the most prominent in terms of volume of posts and belligerence of tone within them. Other people espousing similar opinions do so in a much more reasonable manner. Besides you've said a few times now that you welcome "robust" debates. One could almost be mistaken for thinking that you actually enjoy them, your partner in crime in particular! If ever there is an argument ensuing on here Mr Trigger is normally to be found at the centre of it. Regardless of the subject.

I've never said Lockdown was the only weapon. It is the worst and as such the last resort. Sadly all the other, better, more nuanced weapons have now been wasted or fxcked up for us in this country.

Safety in numbers?

Nah, I believe he probably has a very good grasp of the basics of virology. As good as the rest of us non-scientists at least. He's obviously an intelligent chap. It appears more like he just doesn't care, which is far worse IMO. Anyway, I find the inability to answer simple, direct questions utterly staggering!

Thanks for that. It illustrates a very sad state of affairs. In no way though does it answer any of my questions. I'll rephrase it in case you missed it. What's your solution to our current health crisis?

I can't acknowledge that those stats are correct, not having access to the source data or skills to analyse it, but they don't look too far off current estimates. On the other hand given that the source was Nigel Farage they ought to be very stringently fact checked! However, the average ages of Covid victims is academic really, it's seriously missing the point. The problem is that those thousands of patients are taking a massive amount of resource to care for and treat. Regardless of age. If anything older patients need more resources. The consequence is that the lucky majority of the population that aren't adversely effected by Covid conversely suffer because they can't get the services that they require. How do you two in your wisdom suggest that we resolve this problem? I've done the courteous thing and answered the question asked of me. Perhaps one of you could return the favour now.

Sorry, I thought we didn't have to answer questions that we didn't like. [emoji12]

 apologist /əˈpɒlədʒɪst/ noun a person who offers an argument in defence of something controversial. 'critics said he was an apologist for colonialism' >>>>>>>> I'm sure you could and probably will argue it the other way but to me Herd Immunity and minimal if any transmission limitation measures are actually the controversial stance in this pandemic. Just look at other countries around the world.