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Yes, it means they would pay quicker and it makes thme feel more assured that they are not going to get fined. You might also get work over non cis firms and be able to charge a bit more while your at it.

Its private land, but is it your private land?

No its not business Stevie, they are still paying the 20%, and they have to pay it monthly or quaterly direct to the inland revenue (on your behalf) and there are huge fines for non compliance. It's not so they can hold on to the money. I bet they would much rather not deduct it, they could save on accountants and paperwork!

I don't know if its differnet north of the border, I expect it is, but when I phoned the helpline yesterday I spoke to a definate scottish person! I think he had just split up with Ken! Shrek, it is your money and thats why it goes towards your tax bill. It has worked for me too over the years but now I have given in! Years ago we cut down a load of trees to build a waitrose store on a brownfeild site (overgrown ex comercial land) the job came to 30K and we didn't have CIS so they just paid it in full out petty cash! No worries but we had agreed that in advance. I don't like beign right, its not normal for me, but there it is. I registered yesterday and am just goign to charge a bit more from now on and look forward to a lower tax bill each year cos of all the money that has gone into it!

It was 2.5 years ago!!!!!!!!

Landrover 101, as your first post you are replying to thread which is 2.5 years old ? !

If the work was to enable the construction to go ahead then wrightly, if not then it is still right if that is how the company pays its contractors. You get it all knocked off you tax bill so there is little right or wrong about, if you work for a company that mostly pays via cis then you would expect to get paid the same way unless you've made a special agreement. We would actually all be better off if we paid our self employed helpers via cis, that way they wouldn't have to justify there self employed ness, but as an industry tree surgoens don't have to register as employers under the scheme but we still get the tax deducted when workign for someone who has to register under the scheme. Thats the crux of it, its not the work you do, its the work that the company you are working for does that make you have to accept the deducition, its to keep the contruction industry in line, not us. Most self employed painters and chippies that I know would never pay any tax if it was lef tto them to organise. With CIS it gets paid by the company they work for and it is then up to them if they want ot keep genuine books and claim some back at the end of the year. Many don't bother!

Funded? Do you mean someone else pays for it??

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HB do some

I put mine in now at £150 per man for two men and £100 for any more on site, then the rest is plant hire etc.

Great, I see it now, thanks chris! It wasn't clear if that was a the top of the tree or the bottom, now I see thanks. If you have any pictures or diagrams of a rigging set up, I would like to see. As usual with your stuff there is more to it than I can grasp all at once, but I get there eventually! Can I have one to try out on our next big beech take down next week? (weather permitting)

Even if your sayign you are forestry you need to be cis if you are cuttign down forests for construction work. No tree surgery is not forestry and if the end goal of the work is construction then its covered by cis, no getting round it. Once the contruction is done, if you were then plantign trees or trimming them to make the place look nice then that might be exempt. Lesson learned here is: Mark up your stump grinding mate by more than 20%!!!

Me too. I'm always synical of new stuff, that way you get genuine explanations of it (eventually) and then I end up using it all the time! I gave chris and mark soem jip over the hitchclimber at first cos I couldn't get my head round it's purpose, other than it doing exactly the same as I could do without it, eventually I got used to it and use it a lot! Anyway, hubs? I can see plenty of uses in my head but would like the low down on its official use? Connecting multiple anchors? Yes I can see that. I've used a riggign plate for that in the past. I'm thinking it would be for attaching slings mid line on a rigging line to create adjustable balances in the same way as you can do with a prussik attached to the line? Should be more reliable and versatile though?

Yes they can. Theyt can emergency deduct it without tellign you. Mine was dedcuted 30%. You get a tax certificate which is like a money order, it goes towards your tax, so no worries.

I've just (yesterday) registered for CIS because of this. If the work you did was for the construction of something then you should be cis registered. You won't be out of pocket cos the moeny is still yours but has gone towards your tax. I can see that as it was unexpected that it screws your cash flow but its not the end of the world. Get registered and charge a bit mor enext time, also you have to seperate out the labour and then they only deduct 20% from that portion of the invoice not the whole amount. For years I've got away with it but invoicign for tree surgery not felling/stumpgrinding etc (even though I've done lots of site clearance) and we always got paid but more recently some companies have clamped down and even if it is tree surgery if its for the beneift of the constrcution process then you need cis.

Sure but whats it doing? What is its application? Is it an access set up or a climbing set up or a rigging set up or just some stuff connected to some other stuff?

What are we looking at there?

I don't really get waht its for? Its like a riggign plate that sits sideways on the rope? i.e. the main rope goes through it?

Anyone seen or used these yet?

there is no hole for a carabiner to secure the cam, your thumb holds the cam shut-it fits the hand nice and this stuff is all about weight saving, My thinking is that this gear is designed for emergency rock/mountain climbing gear, i.e. its small and lightweight so you can carry it and not use it but its there for emergencies as apposed to our usage where lightweight/size is not really important but ability to back up and foolproof usage is important. We are effectively workign in industrial heights situations and I think our gear needs to be a bit more robust than this nice looking stuff. Id be interested to see how you get on with it though, it all looks good!

The alloy ones are exceptionally good, and then the carbon ones are just that little bit extra good but might not last as long.

I rest my case. You actually think you have come up with something the BNP would be proud of!!!! WTF. How long till this thread gets deleted?

I wasn't suggesting you actually did set on the polish next, my point is victimisation of a group in this manner is a fascist act.

Get a grip guys. Minority bashing is fascist, go to an appropriate nazi website or call up the BNP, maybe you could get rid of the polish next??????