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You should be able to get the cock up ok mate, keeping it up all night might be tricky though but you only need to keep it up as long as the fire is burning!!!!!!!! I would offer to give you a hand..........etc etc etc.

Do you need some sort of cock? A thing that moves with the wind and turns the flue round the opposite side that the wind is coming from?

Good stuff. Thanks Todd. I've got some pics I'll put up on TB sometime soon!

Cool Tod! Come over this way a bit more often if you can!! Did you find that the hub, made it possible or just helped out?

I'm not sure, its getting complicted now. Delivery of the plant might be non deductable. 1500 a day for delivery!!

Ha ha! Me too! My mum sent me to her accountant cos she didn't want to visit me in the clink! All sorted now but not paid up in advance!

They don't take it off the total, they take it off the labourt part of the invoice, so it must be itemised and you can down value the labour costs within reason. Good for you on gettign round it, I've done that many times as well as I have said already. Walking off site is a good way of gettign things done how you want them especially as the office bod has deadlines etc and can't afford to find another contractor at short notice. He obviously pulled strings or fiddled it in your favour becaus ehe wanted the job done, but not becasue you were right. If you were a bricky and tried the same stunt he would have gone into the office and called another bricky, simple.

Your work isn't agricultural if the end result is building a house? How is building a house agricultural?? It may have been in 1999 but its not now. If you get away with it then good on you, like I say it can be got round, its up to who pays the bill though.

I'm right and SWB is right in that it can be got round! And Lee confirms this it seems. From IR website Every business is different. If you've got any questions about whether your business is affected by CIS you can call HMRC’s CIS Helpline on Tel 0845 366 7899 (open from 8.00 am to 8.00 pm, seven days a week).

Cool, go for it and see what happens! Fill out some form after someone complains not before!

I know what you are saying, but they don't really have something of yours do they? They give you a certificate and its paid towards your tax. Maybe you are a good boy and pay your tax in advance like Lee, and so they don't need to deduct. But most labourers arn't that well behaved. And yes, we don't really fall into the catagory, and yes there are ways round it, but construction companies employ people to manage these things and if the company in question employs a jobsworth then they will tax you. At the end of the year you houl dbe no worse or better off either way. Followign the law to the letter, "if the work is for the overall objective of construction then CIS is required". If you can get round that then fine no worries. They pay many bills without CIS (stationery, coffee etc) so its not un-feasable for them to put your bills through with those, but thats not how its supposed to be and many seem to be clamping down now. For me. I'm so bad at paying tax that I'm actually pleased they deuct it, its like a little savings account for me!

Sometimes, if he's unemployed or disadvantaged in some way then HE might get a funding. If he's working for you and YOU need him to get tickets so YOU can get extra work and be compliant, then guess who's gonna have to pay for it..........? Its for the advancment of your business, get the cheque book out already, but maybe contract him to work for you for x amount of time after qualification or else he owes you the money back?

Thats interesting! So ifyou are fully uptogether and paid all your tax in advance like the IR think everyone should, then the company asks the IR about you and get told not to deduct? Is that right? That does sound fair, never gonna happen for me though, I pay in arrears and thats that.

Sure, I cant disagree about that. The whole point of the forum is to provide a host of information for others to search for to find answers etc. I only commented about the age because the replies were directed at the thread starter, rather than just adding additional information on the subject in general. No harm doen either way, just thought I would point it out is all, especially as I am so bored!!!!!!!!!

Yes, it means they would pay quicker and it makes thme feel more assured that they are not going to get fined. You might also get work over non cis firms and be able to charge a bit more while your at it.

Its private land, but is it your private land?

No its not business Stevie, they are still paying the 20%, and they have to pay it monthly or quaterly direct to the inland revenue (on your behalf) and there are huge fines for non compliance. It's not so they can hold on to the money. I bet they would much rather not deduct it, they could save on accountants and paperwork!

I don't know if its differnet north of the border, I expect it is, but when I phoned the helpline yesterday I spoke to a definate scottish person! I think he had just split up with Ken! Shrek, it is your money and thats why it goes towards your tax bill. It has worked for me too over the years but now I have given in! Years ago we cut down a load of trees to build a waitrose store on a brownfeild site (overgrown ex comercial land) the job came to 30K and we didn't have CIS so they just paid it in full out petty cash! No worries but we had agreed that in advance. I don't like beign right, its not normal for me, but there it is. I registered yesterday and am just goign to charge a bit more from now on and look forward to a lower tax bill each year cos of all the money that has gone into it!

It was 2.5 years ago!!!!!!!!

Landrover 101, as your first post you are replying to thread which is 2.5 years old ? !

If the work was to enable the construction to go ahead then wrightly, if not then it is still right if that is how the company pays its contractors. You get it all knocked off you tax bill so there is little right or wrong about, if you work for a company that mostly pays via cis then you would expect to get paid the same way unless you've made a special agreement. We would actually all be better off if we paid our self employed helpers via cis, that way they wouldn't have to justify there self employed ness, but as an industry tree surgoens don't have to register as employers under the scheme but we still get the tax deducted when workign for someone who has to register under the scheme. Thats the crux of it, its not the work you do, its the work that the company you are working for does that make you have to accept the deducition, its to keep the contruction industry in line, not us. Most self employed painters and chippies that I know would never pay any tax if it was lef tto them to organise. With CIS it gets paid by the company they work for and it is then up to them if they want ot keep genuine books and claim some back at the end of the year. Many don't bother!

Funded? Do you mean someone else pays for it??

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I put mine in now at £150 per man for two men and £100 for any more on site, then the rest is plant hire etc.