Cleetus

I would say no to Marlow, the older version is horrible. Its final bury is done by machine, but it can be done by bhand There is a newer version coming out which is much easier to splice by hand. Start on some Yale XTC or New England Hi-vee.

https://honeybros.com/Item/Liros_magicBULLROPE_14mm

https://honeybros.com/Item/Liros_Dyramid_Cord_9-5mm

Honey Bros are now selling the Liros equivalent of AP, exactly the same and at a much better price.

Tachyon is tight, but you shouldnt struggle the way some of you are. I do find it burys alot easier if you milk the inner core back from the cross over as it disappears in to the bury. This should stop the inner core bunching up in the throat.

Honey Brothers will splice any size eye on request complete with CE markings.

Morton Follow the Samson instructions but if your splicing XTC then only remove 9 cover strands not 10 for your taper, the inner core with XTC is slightly bigger than samson 16 strands so leaving that extra strand in keeps the same diameter from the taper down. As the rope is used the throat of the splice is likely to be tight so as mentioned before whack it with a mallet which will relax the strands, then bend the throat backwards and forwards. Work the rope, dont let the rope work you. Hope this helps Lee

Teufelburger do splice. If you look on some of their products the splice is also stitched on a machine, I think it's the multi save.

Peter Unfortunatley its not as easy as just doing double braid, each diameter and brand of rope has to be CE marked individualy, All I can say is watch this space.

Peter No machines are used for Honey Brothers splicing, they are all done by 1 person (me) using the same method each time. I'am very surprised however on the lack of replies on this subject as a lot of people have been very vocal in the past about non CE marked splices and hand splicing in general. It has taken a lot of time and effort to gain the CE accreditation, which is what people wanted to see. Nick Many thanks for your reply!!!

Honeys do a very good splice.

I'll splice used rope, but you'll have to send to me, used rope can be harder Just depends on your technique

Hi all Looking at the picture above I would be only removing 9 strands from the rope not 10. The inner core of XTC is slightly bigger than Arbormaster or New england, leaving that extra strand in the bury creates the same size core as you have taken out so the splice is the same size down the length of the rope. It does however make it abit tighter pulling it through, but if you taper the end that goes in the fid you should pull it through no problem. Hope this helps

Stuart I think the XTC 12 is started by hand and the final tuck done by machine, its far to tight to do the final tuck by hand, regards Cleetus

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Hello all I do alot of splicing, proberly now close 2500 if my records are correct. My splices have been tested on a registered test machine and all recorded for many diffrent brands and diameters. But does that make me competent. I have also been tested by New england and Yale in years gone by, but now they don't seem in terested. It really annoyes me when people slam a custom splice that has actually been made with pride. Yale finish their eyes on a machine as many of you know, but they havn't always spliced like that, look at the title page to the arborist section you will see the two ropes in the picture are hand spliced. Are machine splices stronger than hand spliced ropes? They are a diffrent method of splicing. I would hit the roof if a LOLER inspector failed one of my splices because it wasn't spliced by a redneck(ignore my avitor) in a sweat shop!!!!!!! thats my rant cheers all:001_smile:

Totaly agree Rupe, CE marking fit for purpose etc etc, it shows how open to wrong interpritation LOLER is.

Heard a story today about a LOLER inspector failing a hank of Yale Blaze on the basis that it was 11mm. I have not seen the rope but trust the person using it and he says it is safe. I know some people/companies will not let climbers use class B ropes but not because the rope is 11mm. Is there somthing I dont know or is it just another over excited LOLER inspector? I splice a lot of ropes and have had all types tested, pretty much all of the 11mm ropes(blaze, blue moon, tachyon, velocity etc) actually came out stronger than standard 13mm,16 strand ropes, so if the inspector thinks a thinner rope is weaker then he is wrong. As a LOLER inspector myself I would be interested in anyones opinions or thoughts as I wouldn't fail a rope due its diameter. regards Cleetus

Looks like it to me.

Honeys stock Blue Moon, I have used it, very nice rope and is now CE marked

I've worked on the planes on the parade ground opposite Buck Palace, absolutley no security at all, couldn't belive it.

APF was great, just got back, Check out Honey Brothers, some great kit to be had.

Peter Sorry, by whipping I did mean stiching, I use the lock stitch as per yale cordages instructions. Whipping is there to just look good.

Peter Whipping is an important part of the splice, it stops some splice actually coming undone when not under load. I only go through the rope twice to avoid as much damage to strand fibres as possible.

Jamie I totaly agree a 2 day course is not enough. How long would it have to be? What types of rope and splices would it cover? And the all important question how much would a course like this cost? Time + tools + rope =££££££££