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I am an Esse dealer, the mods you suggest would invalidate any stove casing warranty should an issue occur. The holes in the back are permanently open and designed to ensure that there is always enough oxygen in the stove to combust the creosote laden gases given off by your logs. Blocking them will achieve what you want but crerosote that has not been burnt in the firebox due to the temperatures being to low then condenses in the chimney and is one of the two main causes of chimney fires, the other is burning wet wood. You have a chimney fire following the mods you propose and are at risk of your insurance loss adjuster invalidating your insurance claim. A
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No question, slow burn means less efficient, more emissions, more soot in the chimney. Best way to use a modern stove is to run it pretty well open all the time and control the heat output by the volume of fuel you are loading at a time. A
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Arada have a similar screw, removing it could invalidate your warranty should a claim ever arise and if using in a smoke control area could then make the stove non compliant. A
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Well thats a step in the right direction, CE marked, so 2014 compliant but only 71.6% efficient so not good enough for Eco Design 2022, this needs 75% but given some internal tweaking that may be achievable if there was a desire to do so at Clearview. Nice clear plate as well, some are far worse than that. They are I understand required to state the efficiency on the web site and at a point of sale.
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Used to be a good stove but let down by some poor design features, not quite the best but not to far behind. No personal experience of their latest models, I am not a dealer for them but I have heard nothing bad in the trade about them. Again go to your local dealer, get hands on with one and see what you like. A
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Esse have cats in their 105 and similar models, cant be used with solid fuel though as they block. Several companies are testing them as we speak. A
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The Eco Design regulations are a Europe wide initiative to increase heating efficiency and reduce emissions of green house gases. They came into effect in the UK in Jan 22 after several years of warning, the stove manufactures have all complied with the regulations, except Clearview. In 2014 the building regulations changed, the minimum level of stove efficiency was raised from 55% to 65% and the maximum levels of emissions were reduced. All stoves had to be independently tested and have a CE plate affixed to it. ASs far as I am aware Clearview did not by and large comply with these regulations, they were the only one. In 2022 the Eco Design regs increased minimum efficiency levels to 75%, and further reduced maximum emissions levels. There is another level proposed planned for 2025 moving efficiency to 80% and dropping emissions further still.. A 2022 compliant stove will be far more efficient than a stove designed even 10 years ago, have a look at the Stove Industry Alliance web site and social media platforms. Home - Stove Industry Alliance | SIA STOVEINDUSTRYALLIANCE.COM As far as I am aware Clearview stoves are NOT 2022 compliant, most are not 2014 CE marked either, no efficiency levels are advised on their web site, this is a requirement. There may now be issues with Hetas signing them off as safe to use as they are not proven to be compliant with the current regualtions. To answer quickly your other points, A, You will NOT be able to close an Ecodesign stove down to the same level as you could an older dirtier less efficient one, 2022 stoves are deisgned to by ultra clean burning, some oxygen is always being introduced into the firebox. B, I have read the Clearview statements on their website, its odd that the rest of the industry Europe wide take a totally opposite view and this can be backed up with independent scientific proof. C, Fellow stove retailers I talk to with Clearview accounts are walking away from them, cant get stock, poor support, one lady I spoke to this week has not had a single delivery this year yet. My best advice to you is to go to your local independent stove retailer and get hands on with a Charnwood, Arada, Morso, Esse or Heta. Their are other decent brands but many are made in China or eastern europe or assembled in the UK from a kit of parts made in those places. The first five I have given you i act for and know that their products are built from scratch in the UK or Denmark with a possible exception of an odd model. A
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Any expert installers here?
Alycidon replied to Clearview400's topic in Log burning stoves and fireplaces
Nails from pallets will easily jam the rotary grate. Unlikely to be seized unless its been very seriously abused. Clearview, glad not to be a dealer, best chance of any advice is to ring them. You might be able to download the user and installation instructions from the Web. Folding the bricks in as suggested above sounds probable. A -
Correct, solid fuel is coal, anthracite and its derivatives.
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Curved glass which is also high temperature is costly, usually around the 600to 700 quid mark for a tall cylinder type stove, all curved glass is this sort of cost as it can't be cut from a flat sheet and production costs are high. Yet failure rates are very low, I have sold one in 12 years, one, and that was because something fell against it. At the end of the day you can probably claim on your house contents policy. I always make potential buyers aware of this before they decide. You mention cost of spare parts, what yiu do need to really be thinking about is can you get hold off spare parts. Several stove brands in the UK offer very little beyond glass and firebrick, and with several stove manufacturers importing from China, India and Russia this is not going to get better. New buyers are best advised to stick to long standing brands who build their products ideally in the UK from scratch. Increasingly I am finding stoves assembled in the UK or Ireland from a kit of parts made in China. These are allowed to be called made in England.
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As a Morso dealer who has sold a few Doves over the years it is a lovely old stove but was designed to burn solid fuel principally. It was discontinued in 2018 having been in production since around 1983. Burning wood then its unlikely to idle as wood is far easier to conbust than solid fuel. A
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Boiler stoves are designed to burn very slowly and use solid fuel for optimum performance. The 2022 Eco Design legislation that came into place in the UK on 1st Jan makes it an offence for a stove manufacturer to supply a stove that does not conform to the new regs. Boiler stoves slow burning makes the gases given off pretty dirty thus pretty well all are now banned from sale. Dealers can still sell ex display or ones they have in stock. I am advised that Dik Guerts have a 2022 compliant boiler stove ( Ivar 10 H20) with about 5kw to the room and another 5 to the water, but lead times are very long. Arada and Hunter are working on getting a 2022 compliant boiler stove, these will probably involve catalytic filters in the base of the flue. Using solid fuel these will block very quickly so the new generation of boiler stoves are likely to be dedicated wood burners unless someone comes up with a technical step forward. Most solid fuels have now also been banned for sale from manufacturer to dealer, but dealer can still sell stock bought before 31srt Dec 21. Anthracite is continuing along with several of the higher quality smokeless fuels, the latter have had there sulpher content reduced which reduces heat output and their willingness to burn. Someone mentioned Ecoburn 11, steel shortages have meant that Arada put all their steel into the most popular models, so Ecoburn 9,11 and 14 have all been discontinued at present but I would expect them to re appear once the global steel supply situation resolves itself. Clip in boilers for these models are only likely to have an output of 3 or 4kw, only enough for a couple of radiators. A
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Hello and welcome. If you interfere with any part of the flue then you become legally liable for it as you are the last person to have worked on it. To remove insulation as I think you are proposing would almost certianly invalidate your household insurance should you ever have a fire. I suggest you get the company who installed it back to advise you, if you are unsure who this was you can check on the Hetas web site ( go into buy a new certificate) or if nothing there check with your local building control office. It sounds like the install is a good job. I found one a few weeks ago with exposed pipe in a wardrobe, and clothes in the wardrobe touching the flue pipe !!. A
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And for wall to be classed as incombustable it needs to be 100mm thick of incombustable material ( ie block or facing brick) as with just a tile the heat can transfer throu the tile, which i get. 200mm actually. There are a couple of stove specialists here, it would have been better to hand the job over to a qualified installer at an early stage. Builders who are inexperienced with stoves often get things badly wrong, I have a case in legal hands at present owning to a builder not putting a lintel in over an opening. Home owner demanded we return 2 days later to do the install, but we were booked solid some 2 months ahead, home owner wont pay for the stove that he had to get someone else to install. Another slight issue, Hetas are I understand refusing to allow anyone to sign off a Clearview as most are not compliant with the emissions and efficiency regs of 2014, let alone the new ones of 2022. So you need it signed off by a building inspector which I assume was your intent anyway. A
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new wood burning stove rusting
Alycidon replied to [email protected]'s topic in Log burning stoves and fireplaces
Discuss with your supplier, send pics as evidence. Should not happen unless rust present when painted over. A -
My 560XP has been bad, 2 engine rebuilds, one after only 20 hours use. Pretty good hot starts though. Always used Husky but bought a 462 Sthill for groundwork, now that is one heck of a saw. A
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Camera on the end of a sweeping pole, linked to a tablet or laptop. A
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Chances are the chimney will be pretty well blocked, get a proffesional chimney sweep in to clean it. If you do install a stove the mortar between the bricks will likely have eroded and would allow smoke into you or next doors property, therefore please make sure a stainless steel flue liner system is installed. A
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Hi all - New WoodBurner Installation
Alycidon replied to RichP's topic in Log burning stoves and fireplaces
This is not a DIY project unless you know what you are doing. My advice is to go to your local independent stove shop and get costings to supply and install the stove you like the best. A -
The sulpherous fumes from smokeless fuel will condense in the top of the flue liner and deposit corrosive flue products onto it. This will cause 316 grade flue liner to corrode and fail. These new power sweep systems usually rip the corroded liner to shreds. If using smokeless then must use 904 grade flue liner unless the use is very very occasional.
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Agreed, There are currently very few boiler stoves that are now available due to the 2022 emissions requirements. I did think none but someone corrected me on that last week. The air inlets on a boiler stove are usually controlled by a thermostat, once the water in the stove is up to temperature then the stove shuts itself down, then the pollution issue can arise. A
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What are you intending to burn ? House coal was banned from sale in volumes of under 2 tonnes last year. Most smokeless fuels have either been banned or had their formulations changed to bring the sulphur emissions below the Eco Design 2022 requirements. Solid fuel dealers are allowed to continue to sell stock they bought in before 31st Dec 21. Anthracite ( natural smokeless coal) will continue to be available but is hard to light, does not burn well in a stove due to restricted oxygen supplies but goes 4 hours plus between re fuels. Solid fuels such as anthracite burn from the bottom upwards, they are usually burnt on the grate to allow the oxygen to get under the fire, these fuels burn from the bottom up and need a lot more oxygen than wood which burns from the top down. i would suggest you have a look under your existing grate for any air inlets below the grate, this will usually be on the rear of the firebox. No air inlets then you are wasting your time. Vac the ash out and then see what you have. A
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Esse introduced Cats in the uk with their new wood burning models late last year, however their cat is on a slide and has too be slid into place when using. Am personally unsure if thats the way to go on boiler stoves as fumes from same would tend to clog the cat up I would have thought. Time will tell, A A
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Arada are working on putting catalyst filters into the top of the stove, they have prototypes in the USA with this system.
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Nonexistant at present, not aware of any boiler stove that meets the 2022 emissions regs. A