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And that's a closed thread right there - full and comprehensive answer on the first reply!

In the N, O, P area. Possibly between my arena tree and the next stand.

Certainly is Rich - you don't need to know anyone, just introduce yourself when you arrive.

The catchily named Town and Country Planning (Tree Preservation)(England) Regulations 2012 state the following procedure in regulation 5 "5 - (1) As soon as practicable after making an order, and before confirming it, the authority which made it shall— (a)serve on the persons interested in the land affected by the order— (i)a copy of the order; and (ii)a notice containing the particulars specified in paragraph (2);" So there is no definition of 'serving' - the extant (but presumably soon to be revised) guidance in the Blue Book considers it reasonable to do the following; "3.27 Where it appears to the LPA that land affected by the TPO is unoccupied, the documents and notice will be taken as duly served if they are addressed to 'the owners and occupiers' of the land described by the LPA and are affixed conspicuously to some object on the land." In essence, I expect that notification of a new Order is only important insofar as it allows an opportunity to object - there appears to be no suggestion that one can't be made if people aren't notified though clearly that may form the basis of a legal challenge to its validity.

Without checking, I'm fairly confident that the wording of the legislation simply requires that the owner/occupier be served. To that end and in addition to the terms 'amenity' or 'tree', the act does not define 'served'.

Often this can simply be achieved by attaching a weatherproof copy of the provisional Order to the tree itself.

Yeah sorry - refuse the planning application! You're quite right about the s211.

I feel your pain regarding appraisals. When assessing development impacts on a CA, it makes sense to try to evaluate the value of the trees affected in the context of the area's character and appearance (this will often be a policy requirement in any case) - without an appraisal the LPA can end up defining the value as they see fit after the application is in! Applicants are somehow expected to design their proposal in the absence of any guidance as to what is important to a particular setting and when third parties like me define it for the purposes of the application LPAs often just disagree or ignore it. Its important if we say its important after we've seen whether we like your proposal! Worse still are the appraisals that don't mention trees - It seems reasonable to me to assume that, having asked a professional landscape consultancy to assess what elements are important to the character and appearance of the area, if trees aren't mentioned in the final published document then the LPA doesn't think that trees are important. If they do then the appraisal is the place to say so right? Apparently not, the importance of trees can be defined later, over and above existing guidance at the LPA's whim. Goalposts on wheels. Vagueness is important in one respect I guess. Too prescriptive a system would fail to be adaptable - what irks me is the use of vagueness for the sake of laziness or obstruction. Take TPO's for example; I had an Order served on site recently that claimed that the "The Council have made the Order due to the increased pressure from development it has been considered that it would be expedient in the interest of amenity and to retain the immediate street scene to serve a Tree Preservation Order [sic]". What this garbled nonsense should have said was; "The Council has made this Order because an application has been submitted that proposed the removal of trees that are considered to be important to the appearance and character of the conservation area - especially views along XXXX lane." Putting aside the fact that as the trees were in a CA all the LPA had do to prevent them being felled was refuse the application(!), the reason it wasn't as clear as it could be was presumably a combination of laziness (the first reason can be cut & pasted into any development related Order) and deliberate obfuscation (its harder to disprove something that can change its final meaning depending on the circumstance). As for Lord Taylor's job spec - I just hope its not a fell...

A pacemaker.

We shall call this flaming and note that it is against the forum rules.

We had something similar in the 2008 Draft Heritage Bill but that got binned because of the global financial apocalypse. Presumably because Whitehall wanted us to know that they were taking the credit crunch very seriously and if we had heard that they were wasting time improving heritage protection we'd all be grabbing our pitchforks and marching on the capital. Sigh.

Q1. I see what you are saying, but s72(1) creates a duty for the LPA to pay "special attention"..."to the desirability of preserving or enhancing the character or appearance of that area" in exercising any functions of the planning acts. So the creation of a CA must be justified on architectural or historic interest but a TPO can be instrumental in preserving its character or appearance. Vague as you like though. Q2. The key word there is 'normally' surely. The essence is that it can be seen and presumably that you'd need an equally good reason to protect it if it can't be seen. The guidance is on the short list for "streamlining" in the latest Taylor review so we may just end up with a blue book coaster or keyring...

Axes will be thrown... http:// http://arbtalk.co.uk/forum/tree-climbing-competitions/53432-cutters-climbers-2013-a.html#post816212

Oh yeah that too...

Cheers Adam, we can always do with a hand. When I get home I'll PM you to sort tickets.

THE CUTTERS AND CLIMBERS COMPETITION AT THE EAST OF ENGLAND GAME FAIR. NORWICH SHOWGROUND, NORFOLK - 27TH AND 28TH OF APRIL. Fancy a change of scene this year? The Cutters & Climbers is open to all qualified climbers and chainsaw operators regardless of age and gender. It consists of three individual climbing, spiking and chainsaw events with separate and combined prizes for each. Entrants can pick and choose what they enter but the vast majority of competitors compete in all three, with the chance to win the much coveted ‘Most Employable Person’ or ‘Most Competitive’ titles, based on scores and performance from all three events. Climbing event - a solo simulated work scenario tests climbers with a variety of targets and aerial challenges such as our hair trigger limb walk which challenges competitors to get as far out on an artificial branch as they can without setting off an alarm. As of last year we’ve also added a MEWP element... Chainsaw event - competitors are expected to fell a standing stem, de-limb and cross cut an artificial tree with points will be awarded for the precision of cuts and the time taken to achieve them. Pole climb - two competitors head to head up the largest poles we can transport down the road. Although these fall short of the 80ft monsters that you might find at the UK championship, they more than make up for it in speed and splinters. Team relay events (Spiking / Felling / Snedding / Axe Crosscut) and other general randomness to fulfil our general remit to entertain the public will be devised as we think of them! As always, decent prizes up for grabs if that’s your thing or just the opportunity to revel in the grudging respect from your peers if it isn’t. Whether you compete or just lend a hand, there’ll be a campfire, food, music and beers waiting for you on Saturday night as thanks. All competitors / judges / assistants get free entry to the game fair as well. Keep up to date here or on the events new Facebook page. You can download the entry form HERE and email / post it to the enclosed address. Whilst we try to get tickets out to all those who enter prior to the show, you'll understand that if we receive your entry form the day before the show it'll be tricky to arrange tickets by post. See you there.

THE CUTTERS AND CLIMBERS COMPETITION AT THE EAST OF ENGLAND GAME FAIR. NORWICH SHOWGROUND, NORFOLK - 27TH AND 28TH OF APRIL. Fancy a change of scene this year? The Cutters & Climbers is open to all qualified climbers and chainsaw operators regardless of age and gender. It consists of three individual climbing, spiking and chainsaw events with separate and combined prizes for each. Entrants can pick and choose what they enter but the vast majority of competitors compete in all three, with the chance to win the much coveted ‘Most Employable Person’ or ‘Most Competitive’ titles, based on scores and performance from all three events. Climbing event - a solo simulated work scenario tests climbers with a variety of targets and aerial challenges such as our hair trigger limb walk which challenges competitors to get as far out on an artificial branch as they can without setting off an alarm. As of last year we’ve also added a MEWP element... Chainsaw event - competitors are expected to fell a standing stem, de-limb and cross cut an artificial tree with points will be awarded for the precision of cuts and the time taken to achieve them. Pole climb - two competitors head to head up the largest poles we can transport down the road. Although these fall short of the 80ft monsters that you might find at the UK championship, they more than make up for it in speed and splinters. Team relay events (Spiking / Felling / Snedding / Axe Crosscut) and other general randomness to fulfil our general remit to entertain the public will be devised as we think of them! As always, decent prizes up for grabs if that’s your thing or just the opportunity to revel in the grudging respect from your peers if it isn’t. Whether you compete or just lend a hand, there’ll be a campfire, food, music and beers waiting for you on Saturday night as thanks. All competitors / judges / assistants get free entry to the game fair as well. Keep up to date here or on the events new Facebook page. You can download the entry form HERE and email / post it to the enclosed address. Whilst we try to get tickets out to all those who enter prior to the show, you'll understand that if we receive your entry form the day before the show it'll be tricky to arrange tickets by post. See you there.

How is it different? 1st Question: I'd agree that a tree that detracts from a CA should not be protected to ensure it continues to detract. However, one might serve an Order to ensure its replacement (arguably a poor reason but a reason neverthless). The definition of amenity justifying the TPO should be framed in the specific instance within which it is found (i.e., the conservation area appraisal / situation). I can't see any reason why an LPA can't explain themselves in explicit detail when justifying an Order but unfortunatley the typical approach is to use vague template text. 2nd Question - Are the residents not members of the public in any case?

How's the torture going? I looked at this barefoot thing and even bought a pair of those merrells last year - I took them back after a couple of runs (with socks mind!). I land fore/mid foot anyway so didn't think there would be much difference from my inov8s but the style you need to use to tolerate them is too much for me! A real stride killer - and like you I had major calf pains even at low distances. So much for injury prevention! Anyhow, I decided that I was running fine without them but I'd be interested to see how others find them.

Had soleus inflammation in right calf and murderous ITB pain in left knee last season. Likewise. I had set unrealistic weekly milages and started bunched sessions up too much towards the end of the week when I'd missed them at the start. I cut the milage before I crippled myself, stopped the recommended stretching which was making things worse and wore extra leg layers to keep the injuries warm when out training (the ITB was particularly bad in the cold). Luckily I only missed two weeks and was back on form (well my kind of form anyway) before the first race day. This year I'm seven weeks in to the schedule, running in -8 (with windchill) and only the normal protest aches of lazy legs so far.

Its just like architectural remodelling only uses it even more words.

I concur. All I can see from the images is that the tree has a different form to what I would expect a 'normal' Oak to look like. That warrants further investigation - until then we have no idea if it needs pruning, felling or reiterative distal tissue annihilation...

I edited my original response - Steve pointed out to me that it was a little partisan. Clearly I should have done this more promptly (or ideally in my head before I posted) but hey. Apologies if you feel singled out Tony. As for others getting away with insults; give me ten minutes and I can find similar statements made by you to other members - Treeseer for example. You get what you give... bit like karma.

Can we keep this on topic for the OP please. The analysis of the quality of information is valid but those who wish to congratulate others for the apparently laudable task of logging in to the forum can do so in a separate thread (or preferably by PM).

True. It was used in a successful prosecution in Norwich. Streetview showed the various viewpoints and significance of trees felled over a bank holiday and allowed the court to better calculate the fine!