Pick-up speed limits

[Ironbark]

I had a call from the salesman yesterday promising a link to a DVSA special notice which clears the whole thing up!

 

That made the sceptic in me laugh!

 

Interesting thread and i hope we all get a proper answer.

[Johnnyboxer]

Construction & Use definition of a Dual Purpose Vehicle

 

dual-purpose vehicle

a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods or burden of any description, being a vehicle of which the unladen weight does not exceed 2040 kg, and which either—

 

(i)is so constructed or adapted that the driving power of the engine is, or by the appropriate use of the controls of the vehicle can be, transmitted to all the wheels of the vehicle; or

(ii)satisfies the following conditions as to construction, namely—

 

(a)the vehicle must be permanently fitted with a rigid roof, with or without a sliding panel;

(b)the area of the vehicle to the rear of the driver's seat must—

 

(i)be permanently fitted with at least one row of transverse seats (fixed or folding) for two or more passengers and those seats must be properly sprung or cushioned and provided with upholstered back-rests, attached either to the seats or to a side or the floor of the vehicle; and

(ii)be lit on each side and at the rear by a window or windows of glass or other transparent material having an area or aggregate area of not less than 1850 square centimetres on each side and not less than 770 square centimetres at the rear; and

 

©the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the row of transverse seats satisfying the requirements specified in head (i) of sub-paragraph (b) (or, if there is more than one such row of seats, the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the back-rests of the rearmost such row) must, when the seats are ready for use, be not less than one-third of the distance between the rearmost part of the steering wheel and the rearmost part of the floor of the vehicle.

[Johnnyboxer]

Dept of Transport Dual Purpose Vehicle definition

 

Dual purpose vehicles

A dual purpose vehicle is a vehicle constructed or adapted for the carriage both of passengers and of goods and designed to weigh no more than 2,040 kg when unladen, and is either:

 

constructed or adapted so that the driving power of the engine is, or can be selected to be, transmitted to all wheels of the vehicle

or

 

permanently fitted with a rigid roof, at least one row of transverse passenger seats to the rear of the driver’s seat and will have side and rear windows - there must also be a minimum ratio between the size of passenger and stowage areas

See The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 (Part 1 Regulation 3) for the full definition.

[Johnnyboxer]

Link to Thames Valley Police

 

Thames Valley Police - Frequently asked questions - Answer

[Johnnyboxer]

So it's 60/70/70 if it meets the criteria for a DPV

 

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

[Stubby]

So it's 60/70/70 if it meets the criteria for a DPV

 

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

 

As long as its not towing .

[Johnnyboxer]

As long as its not towing .

 

Obviously:thumbup1:

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

So it's 60/70/70 if it meets the criteria for a DPV

 

https://www.gov.uk/speed-limits

 

 

Trying to get an authoritative and definitive answer on unladen weight from the manufacturers is the crux of the problem Johnny.

 

No arguments about what the qualifying criterion are.... It's just that getting a straight answer on unladen weight, as defined in Gov. guidance, from the manufacturers is like pulling teeth!

[Johnnyboxer]

Trying to get an authoritative and definitive answer on unladen weight from the manufacturers is the crux of the problem Johnny.

 

No arguments about what the qualifying criterion are.... It's just that getting a straight answer on unladen weight, as defined in Gov. guidance, from the manufacturers is like pulling teeth!

 

Indeed

 

I'm taking it as the Manufacturer's stated Kerb Weight, which is what they will declare for EEC Type approval and this is what DVLA will recognise when they class it as a DPV

 

Subtract the fuel/oil and water load at c.80kg and you'll get an Unladen Weight - but I bet DVLA will just use the Kerb Weight and whether it is over or under 2040kgs for D/Cab Pickups

 

If you get pinged at 60mph on an A road, the Police Camera will link back to the original DVLA DPV classification at date of 1st reg, so no fine will be issued

 

Whether you've stuck a towbar,canopy or 100kgs of saws/rigging on the bed is of no consequence as it will be linked to the original stated weight declared by the manufacturer's data for a bare pickup and they won't take you to a weighbridge

 

Post sale, what you do with it in terms of accessories is of no concern, unless you are stopped by VOSA and exceed the vehicles maximum gross weight, all up

 

The Invincible 3l Auto, I'm getting next month is declared with a Kerb Weight of 2030kg, so well within the DPV limit of an Unladen Weight of no more than 2040kgs

[openspaceman]

Indeed

 

I'm taking it as the Manufacturer's stated Kerb Weight, which is what they will declare for EEC Type approval and this is what DVLA will recognise when they class it as a DPV

 

Subtract the fuel/oil and water load at c.80kg and you'll get an Unladen Weight - but I bet DVLA will just use the Kerb Weight and whether it is over or under 2040kgs for D/Cab Pickups

 

If you get pinged at 60mph on an A road, the Police Camera will link back to the original DVLA DPV classification at date of 1st reg, so no fine will be issued

 

Whether you've stuck a towbar,canopy or 100kgs of saws/rigging on the bed is of no consequence as it will be linked to the original stated weight declared by the manufacturer's data for a bare pickup and they won't take you to a weighbridge

 

Post sale, what you do with it in terms of accessories is of no concern, unless you are stopped by VOSA and exceed the vehicles maximum gross weight, all up

 

The Invincible 3l Auto, I'm getting next month is declared with a Kerb Weight of 2030kg, so well within the DPV limit of an Unladen Weight of no more than 2040kgs

 

The mass in Service of My 65 plate Hilux DC 3.0 Invincible says 2045kg. SO with the reduction of drivers weight and a similar figure for the fuel it comes in well under 2040kg.

 

Yet on my documentation the vehicle has a taxation class of Light Goods Vehicle.

 

So should this be in the DPV category or LGV?

 

Thanks Rich for that I did not realise that was on the V5, I suspect that means yours is not a DPV, DPV is a combination of LGV and car so its taxation class always use to be private light goods.

 

The mass in service bit in the V5 is probably what Johnnyboxer refers to DVSA having to refer to its DPV status.

 

I pulled our manual crewcab hilux's V5 this morning and it's 2030kg, which is good enough for me to decide it's a DPV.

 

Kevin will your dealer have a V5 for their demonstrator?