Making the news today....

[eggsarascal]

Anyone got a link to this report?

[tree-fancier123]

'In 2016, well over a quarter (28.2%) of live births in England and Wales were to mothers born outside the UK, the highest level on record.'

 

Brexiteer scum!

[tree-fancier123]

. In 2001 the population of the UK was estimated at 59.1 million, with 4.9 million (8.3%) foreign born. By 2011 the population of the UK had increased by 4.1 million to 63.2 million with the foreign born population at 8 million (12.6%). The population now stands at 65.6 million (mid-2017)

 

So from 2001 to 2017 there was an increase of  ~ 6.5 million people - all those new people clogging up GP surgeries and hospitals - the horror. The ratio  of GPs per 1000 would have become stretched even without recent trends in early retirement etc.

Edited May 8, 2019 by tree-fancier123

[The avantgardener]

7 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

. In 2001 the population of the UK was estimated at 59.1 million, with 4.9 million (8.3%) foreign born. By 2011 the population of the UK had increased by 4.1 million to 63.2 million with the foreign born population at 8 million (12.6%). The population now stands at 65.6 million (mid-2017)

 

So from 2001 to 2017 there was an increase of  ~ 6.5 million people - all those new people clogging up GP surgeries and hospitals - the horror. The ratio  of GPs per 1000 would have become stretched even without recent trends in early retirement etc.

No one is contesting that the population has increased, it has on a global scale.

This report simply stated that due to the recent quick decline in GP numbers and the time it takes to train as a GP, the ratio of GP’s to population at its lowest, why can you not understand this simple report?

Is it because it doesn’t confirm your idea that everything is the fault of Imigration?

 

[eggsarascal]

10 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

No one is contesting that the population has increased, it has on a global scale.

This report simply stated that due to the recent quick decline in GP numbers and the time it takes to train as a GP, the ratio of GP’s to population at its lowest, why can you not understand this simple report?

Is it because it doesn’t confirm your idea that everything is the fault of Imigration?

 

Please provide a link to the report.

[tree-fancier123]

6 hours ago, The avantgardener said:

News out this morning that there are less GP’s per population than ever before. This is due to far more leaving/ retiring than becoming new ones , won’t stop lying shitbags from the Brexit brigade blaming it on immigrants though, easy target Mr Farage?

 

23 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

why can you not understand this simple report?

Is it because it doesn’t confirm your idea that everything is the fault of Imigration? 

 

Why can't you understand that importing several million extra people over the last 20 years has increased the strain on doctors and the NHS in general? Your first post seemed to say Brexiteers were unintelligent and  spreading misinformation if they highlight the extra strain placed on GPs and the health service in general because of immigration. It's like your saying people who think immigration is causing problems with NHS capacity are just wrong. You say things like 'lying shitbags'.

[tree-fancier123]

from the BBC report

An analysis by the Nuffield Trust think tank for the BBC shows the number of GPs per 100,000 people has fallen from nearly 65 in 2014 to 60 last year.

The fall in GPs from 64.9 per 100,000 to 60 per 100,000 means the average doctor now has 125 more patients to look after than they did in 2014.

The Nuffield Trust believes another 3,500 GPs would be needed to get the NHS back to where it was in 2014.

There are just over 42,000 working currently, down by nearly 1,500 in four years.

 

Now, to say immigration has nothing to do with this is ludicrous - the net migration alone between 2014 and 2018 would be approx 1million (yes 1000000) this is why the Nuffield are saying 3500 GPs needed to get the ratio back to 2014 levels, despite only 1500 GPs lost since 2014.

[The avantgardener]

6 minutes ago, tree-fancier123 said:

 

Why can't you understand that importing several million extra people over the last 20 years has increased the strain on doctors and the NHS in general? Your first post seemed to say Brexiteers were unintelligent and  spreading misinformation if they highlight the extra strain placed on GPs and the health service in general because of immigration. It's like your saying people who think immigration is causing problems with NHS capacity are just wrong. You say things like 'lying shitbags'.

In this instance the drop in GP’s is the reason for the report, not the rise in population that has been happening globally that everyone is aware of, but the first thing you post are immigration figures?

I am referring to lying shitbags like Mr. Farage who will see this exactly like you do.

[tree-fancier123]

6 minutes ago, The avantgardener said:

In this instance the drop in GP’s is the reason for the report, not the rise in population that has been happening globally that everyone is aware of, but the first thing you post are immigration figures?

I am referring to lying shitbags like Mr. Farage who will see this exactly like you do.

so you don't see that if those 2 million immigrants over the last 10 years hadn't come the fall in GP numbers would have far less impact?  As a starting point at 60 GPs  per 100,000 - those 2000000 new immigrants in the last ten years need 1200 GPs.

How is that logic wrong? Think before you reply.

Edited May 8, 2019 by tree-fancier123

[The avantgardener]

1 minute ago, tree-fancier123 said:

so you don't see that if those 2 million immigrants over the last 10 years hadn't come the fall in GP numbers would have far less impact?  As a starting point at 60 GPs  per 100,000 - those 2000000 new immigrants in the last ten years need 1200 GPs.

How is that logic wrong? Think before you reply.

Of course population increase affects the ratio, this report simply states that the recent drop has made the ratio the worst level it has been.

May I point out also that the population increase is not purely down to immigrants, British people breed as well and we are also living longer.