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[AHPP]

27 minutes ago, Stere said:

The more people wondering around with weapons the more people who will get hurt id guess.

 

Your idea that allowing  people to carry would stop violence doesn't make sense to me. And escalation would occur if  everyone carries knifes then people  just start carrying guns etc

 

OK so it might save you individually but as a whole it would cause more carnage a  ans death

 

Common good v private good or self interest are conflicting.

 

 

 

 

 

Nothing will stop violence. We've been braying each other with sticks and jawbones since day dot. People with no regard for the law will be violent with whatever they can get and people who do follow the law will have nothing.

 

You could carry here only a hundred years ago. There was no epidemic of unwanted/unnecessary shootings.

 

At what point do individual rights become eclipsed by group rights?

How many people?

If individual rights are bricks, at what point does a wall made of bricks cease to be bricks and only be a wall?

[5thelement]

20 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

Nothing will stop violence. We've been braying each other with sticks and jawbones since day dot. People with no regard for the law will be violent with whatever they can get and people who do follow the law will have nothing.

 

You could carry here only a hundred years ago. There was no epidemic of unwanted/unnecessary shootings.

 

At what point do individual rights become eclipsed by group rights?

How many people?

If individual rights are bricks, at what point does a wall made of bricks cease to be bricks and only be a wall?

You have either been watching too many films or spent too much time in debating clubs at public school, or both.

I suggest you get out more into the real world, you might then recognise how completely unnecessary it is to carry a handgun in the UK, if not you will end up like Squaredy, he is too scared to go out after dark for fear of all the ethnic stabbers. FFS.

[AHPP]

23 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

That’s why we have very highly trained armed police officers in the UK, with a very efficient reaction speed to these incidents, which are spectacularly rare events. 

 

They can be as good as you like and as quick as humanly possible but they're not with you every second of the day. Look where you are now. A bloke is standing forty feet away pointing a gun at you. Do you stand a better chance with your own gun or waiting for the police? Will they be there in:

• 1 second
• 5 seconds
• 1 minute
• 5 minutes

Say the Bondi response was 10 minutes (600 seconds). 40 people shot. 545 seconds late for the first person. 15 seconds late for the last person. All late, however late.

 

 

Your premise is wrong anway. I've shot with armed coppers (normal county police, MOD police and military police). One was capable. The rest were useless. I don't imagine it's any better outside of my sample (probably eight or so). They're government workers. They'll probably be useless.

[AHPP]

45 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

You have either been watching too many films or spent too much time in debating clubs at public school, or both.

I suggest you get out more into the real world, you might then recognise how completely unnecessary it is to carry a handgun in the UK, if not you will end up like Squaredy, he is too scared to go out after dark for fear of all the ethnic stabbers. FFS.

 

I'll be as scared (and prepared) as I want to be. You do you. But I'd prefer if you didn't trivialise the topic. For 40 people in Sydney, it is currently anything but trivial. They were having a bbq in a theoretically and statistically safe place and suddenly they were being shot at. Put yourself in thier shoes.

[5thelement]

15 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

They can be as good as you like and as quick as humanly possible but they're not with you every second of the day. Look where you are now. A bloke is standing forty feet away pointing a gun at you. Do you stand a better chance with your own gun or waiting for the police? Will they be there in:

• 1 second
• 5 seconds
• 1 minute
• 5 minutes

Say the Bondi response was 10 minutes (600 seconds). 40 people shot. 545 seconds late for the first person. 15 seconds late for the last person. All late, however late.

 

 

Your premise is wrong anway. I've shot with armed coppers (normal county police, MOD police and military police). One was capable. The rest were useless. I don't imagine it's any better outside of my sample (probably eight or so). They're government workers. They'll probably be useless.

Like I say, get in the real world like the rest of us, the one where the chance of someone pointing a gun at you whilst in Costa is slim to none. 
And let me frank, someone is waving a screwdriver around at you and you haven’t the balls to tackle him and take him down, you haven’t the balls to point a gun and pull the trigger either. 

[AHPP]

11 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

Like I say, get in the real world like the rest of us, the one where the chance of someone pointing a gun at you whilst in Costa is slim to none. 
And let me frank, someone is waving a screwdriver around at you and you haven’t the balls to tackle him and take him down, you haven’t the balls to point a gun and pull the trigger either. 

 

Maybe you're Bruce Lee but I'm not. What about a stanley knife? Do I fck want to hand fight someone with one. I'd run. But if I couldn't run, am I better fighting someone at six inches or six feet? Six feet please. Twenty feet better. Next postcode better still.

 

 

 

[AHPP]

Tell this woman she should have had the balls to wrestle him.

 

Woman, 85, shoots dead masked intruder while handcuffed to a chair in 'heroic act of self-preservation'

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Christine Jenneiahn, who was at home with her disabled son at the time, was able to drag herself to a bedroom and retrieve her pistol after Derek Condon...

 

Edited 18 minutes ago by AHPP

[Steven P]

If no one had a gun then there would be no one shot

If a tiny portion of people had a gun then there would be a tiny portion of murderers with guns.

If we all had guns then the fights outside the pub on a Friday night would turn out to be gun fights.

 

Similarly, if all guns had a magazine of say, 25 rounds then the murderers would be able to shoot 25 people before they have to stop, pause, reload and give time for all to escape

If all guns only had 2 rounds loaded, then every 2 shots, 12 1/2 times as many pauses would be needed. Cannot see the problem with this since the hunters are highly skilled, only need 1 shot not 25 to kill their target

 

If all gun owners had 2 guns.. with 2 shots each.. then the most they could shoot is 4 rounds before reloading.

 

The issue in Australia isn't illegal guns, the father was authorised to have a gun, able to fire off hundreds of shots in quick succession. The big issue here is the type of guns he was allowed to own and use.

 

[5thelement]

27 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

Maybe you're Bruce Lee but I'm not. What about a stanley knife? Do I fck want to hand fight someone with one. I'd run. But if I couldn't run, am I better fighting someone at six inches or six feet? Six feet please. Twenty feet better. Next postcode better still.

 

 

 

There are many gun owners on here, some of them will have had handguns before the ban, probably not happy about it, yet I don’t think any of them have agreed with you about allowing the general public in the UK to arm themselves with handguns, why do you think that is?

Edited 3 minutes ago by 5thelement

[5thelement]

25 minutes ago, AHPP said:

 

Maybe you're Bruce Lee but I'm not. What about a stanley knife? Do I fck want to hand fight someone with one. I'd run. But if I couldn't run, am I better fighting someone at six inches or six feet? Six feet please. Twenty feet better. Next postcode better still.

 

 

 

Fortunately for me, I live in a world, both a physical and mentally, where I am not worried about hypothetical worst case scenario events taking place.

I don’t spend my time ‘ imagining’ such things being all around me at all times either, that would be immensely draining and unnecessary brain activity.