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[sime42]

1 hour ago, Johnsond said:

Not a clue 42, im right wing you see, so not  educated and don’t get things like you lefties do. I often sit here in dive control wondering how you just  “ get it”. Not this time it would seem. 

 

 

Thought not. That explains "the rather "random use of" marks". Nothing to do with right wing or education btw. You're not the only right wing person on here you know. Anyway.

 

Back, I don't know how many pages, to your assertion that the NHS is being used to care for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Have you got any figures for that? What percentage of them access an NHS service, after arriving yesterday? It's just that the vast majority of non-indigenous people, immigrants, that I see in healthcare settings are elderly, male and female gender of equal proportion and quite often obese, to a greater or lesser extent. I.e. not the demographic of your average seafaring, rubber dinghy borne "illegal". (You'd expect fighting age males to be pretty fit and healthy after all).

 

I'd wager that the obesity epidemic, and lesser public health issues, are costing the NHS considerably more than immigrants. What do you think we should do to combat that? Combatting immigration won't help with that at all.

 

Not to mention the fact that the NHS is hugely staffed by immigrants. That's a whole other strand to the conversation. Its complicated.

 

Any thoughts, care to discuss? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

probably you'll mention it till everyone is sick of that as well as your coal

You could have sorted that a while back blagger but for some strange reason you struggle with straight answers. 

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, sime42 said:

Thought not. That explains "the rather "random use of" marks". Nothing to do with right wing or education btw

😂😂😂🤷‍♂️you missed it didn’t you sweetie 😂😂😂 

 

[Oldfeller]

33 minutes ago, Mesterh said:

Yeah, it was never a dull day at their house! The lads did good though, one a paramedic and the other in the police force, CID. Ive not seen then for probably 30 years, time flys.

reminds me of something that happened many years back now, 3 of us were having a Jamesons with a dear old friend, reminiscing old tales,as you  do, and in the next room absolute mayhem and chaos going on with his two young sons, suddenly,, deathly silence,, "what have you done? you had better not have broken something" says the father  Cletus, [yes that's his real name] 

"nothing da" comes the reply along with a fair amount of giggling and mumbling, 

 "well you broke some thing, I heard the crash and it's gone quiet, show me" 

"ok" Youngest appears in the doorway holding an electric fire, 

"It looks alright to me, wheres your brother"

"on the other end da"   

"well come here both of you and sit and be quiet for a while"  

more mumbling,, and they slowly walk into the room,,

the other brother has the fires  3 pin 13 amp plug embedded firmly in his head, !!

Cletus gets up, walks over and calmly pulls the offending plug from the boys head,almost lifting him from the sofa, and says "now stop clowning around in the house before someone gets hurt" 

that was 30 odd years ago, it took a week or more before I could tell the tale without cracking up into hysterical fits of laughter.

Edited July 5 by Oldfeller

[Johnsond]

10 minutes ago, sime42 said:

 

Thought not. That explains "the rather "random use of" marks". Nothing to do with right wing or education btw. You're not the only right wing person on here you know. Anyway.

 

Back, I don't know how many pages, to your assertion that the NHS is being used to care for tens of thousands of illegal immigrants. Have you got any figures for that? What percentage of them access an NHS service, after arriving yesterday? It's just that the vast majority of non-indigenous people, immigrants, that I see in healthcare settings are elderly, male and female gender of equal proportion and quite often obese, to a greater or lesser extent. I.e. not the demographic of your average seafaring, rubber dinghy borne "illegal". (You'd expect fighting age males to be pretty fit and healthy after all).

 

I'd wager that the obesity epidemic, and lesser public health issues, are costing the NHS considerably more than immigrants. What do you think we should do to combat that? Combatting immigration won't help with that at all.

 

Not to mention the fact that the NHS is hugely staffed by immigrants. That's a whole other strand to the conversation. Its complicated.

 

Any thoughts, care to discuss? 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Not tonight Bonny lad too many questions as usual with you, anyhow it’s carnival here and I’m hungry so heading out for a bite to eat and catch a bit of the local culture. Enjoy your Saturday night I’ll pick up on your post tomorrow 😂😂

[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

their employees

Well is this a baby step on the road to honesty and openness 😂that’s at least one question answered Blagger 

I guess it sort of explains your total ignorance in regard the self employed such as myself and the expectations they have for their vehicles and equipment how jobs are priced, how much preparation is required, profit margins etc etc. you should have just said earlier you were an employee 🤷‍♂️it’s nothing to be ashamed of ffs. Silly boy 

[Oldfeller]

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various opinions about both labor and Tories,  I wonder how reform will fare if or when  they have the reins.

Edited July 5 by Oldfeller

[sime42]

The debate about the competence/effectiveness of the NHS vs. Private in the UK. I can vouch for the NHS, based on reliable information and personal experience.

 

I am due for cataract surgery next week. A few months ago when it was first picked up by the opticians, they made me a rapid referral to a private healthcare provider. It was a dream: I got a consultation within a couple of weeks. It all seemed very good on the day, superficially at least, but something didn't quite feel right. I was very much on a fast track to getting surgery asap. (Obviously so they could paid by the NHS asap. It was private, but funded by the NHS. However the fck that works. I wasn't due to pay a penny. The company is clearly parasitising our public money).

 

Due to my misgivings I spoke to a mate of mine, a former opthalmic surgeon. He advised not to touch them with a bargepole, on account of mine not being a standard cataract case. (They'd indeed not picked up on that at all). He said that if anything went wrong, or if there were any kind of complications at all, I'd end up back at the NHS without doubt anyway. For them to pick up the pieces. The real medical expertise is still always within the NHS. The private companies just cherry pick the easy, lucrative, low hanging fruit. That sentiment has been echoed by all the doctoring friends of mine.

 

The kicker. I didn't actually have to wait long at all for a date for the surgery with the bog standard national health service, only a few weeks. The consultant explained that that was due to the fact that they had short waiting lists because the private companies were hoovering up all the run-of-the-mill cases. It's a topsy turvy world old world now. 

 

 

[AHPP]

21 hours ago, tree-fancier123 said:

thinking of your future career, had to edit out the cannibalism bit - we've all got to watch it.

Im more worried about the army

Nah. It just stole focus from the main point. 
 

All the forces and reserves were in the 1/236 I think. And bear in mind a load of those will be the HR and hairdressing corps.
 

Should do the numbers again. It was at least five years ago. The takeaway will still be that the state could be snuffed out in its entirety with only a small proportion of the population working together though. 

Edited July 6 by AHPP

[sime42]

9 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Not tonight Bonny lad too many questions as usual with you, anyhow it’s carnival here and I’m hungry so heading out for a bite to eat and catch a bit of the local culture. Enjoy your Saturday night I’ll pick up on your post tomorrow 😂😂

 

I make no apologies for questions. I prefer to pose questions as a starting point in a reasoned discussion aimed at establishing  truth or consensus . I think that's a better approach than simply stating tired rhetoric, in a repetitive dogmatic manner, in an attempt to pass it of as fact. Non should pose a challenge to a man of your intellect anyway or you could just say I don't know the answer. 

 

I trust you had a pleasant evening. What were the highlights of the local culture for you? What is the food like? Everything starts with food.