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[Johnsond]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

And I suspect there are those who use this forum have completely forgotten why the NHS was set up and it's guiding principles of free at the point of use.

 

Those who have a claim for asylum - who are here legally now that that claim is being processed get acess to UK healthcare. Those who are here illegally - ie those who do not have an asylum claim, or other rights to remain, do not get a right to access UK healthcare (apart from emergency care). Even asylum seekers and refugees only get 'tier 1' treatment - which is the life saving stuff.

 

For being so vocal on the subject, I am amazed they don't know this. Spouting rubbish from a position of ignorance.. or if they do know it is spouting rubbish for the purpose of spreading hatred and intolerance.

 

As for paying, those that can pay do and those that need the help get it without paying, there is no 'banked' money. Pay in £10,000 a year and expect £10k worth of treatment, be poor and pay in £1k a year to only get £1k of treatment type of thing... We are all equal in NHS care, richest or poorest. Though I often find that those whose salaries dwarf the average worker, those with the most disposable income are the ones who whinge the loudest having forgotten their roots - we all come out naked and crying, we all end up in a hole the same way - which is the principle here, we are all humans and all the same.

 

Same with pensions, my tax (NI... is tax), pays for the current pensioners, my childrens will pay for mine. As a society we look after each other - and as such a society we are vastly improved for it.

Spoken like a true libtard or one who’s getting far more out of the state than he ever puts in. 
Loose ends Blagger 🤷‍♂️any chance this month 

[Steven P]

1 hour ago, tree-fancier123 said:

Yes legal migration needs to drop too, and the increased salary before a visa rule has made a start.  41k general from later thus month

Its simply not true to say the small boats are a tiny number of people, and even that doesnt

count those who get in via other methods.  Hardly any are removed and the cummulative mass of illegals now in UK is costing the taxpayer fortune in welfare and legal bills.

 

I welcome the noble Lord to his position. On one day this week more than 970 migrants crossed the channel. Up to 745,000 illegal migrants are currently in the UK. One in 100 of the population—more than in any other European country—is a migrant in this country. Against that background, and with an alleged £6 billion overspend on asylum seekers, is it the Government’s policy to continue to house migrants in hotels for another three years?

Lord Hanson of Flint 

(Lab)

 

You're right, worldwide migration is a big issue, but the stance of UK politicians of standing at the border and trying to turn back a tide as they come doesn't work. Farage and his videos of anger "Look they still come" will be repeated for the next 100 years unless you look to the source and why people leave.

 

Harris in the US was tasked with this, working with and investing in Guatamala (I think it was) and the number of immigrants from there dropped.

 

But to stand and demonise them when they arrive here - too late to do anything - isn't working. That was for the small boat arrivals.

 

For the 'regular' immigration again too many, and that needs some tricky political decisions.. which given a 4 year life of a politician before they are potentially sacked, tricky decisions arn't made very often.

[Mark J]

58 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

I think that is accurate, and alternatives will need to be thoroughly discussed

and considered, I think it's premature to think only one of those alternatives has been decided.

I think the opposite, that the desired fate of the NHS has long been decided. 

 

But there you go. 

[Oldfeller]

They come here because nothing is done to make them consider anywhere else, and they in some cases are almost encouraged and helped by those nearby who are glad to see the bloody back of them.

I find it extremely difficult to comprehend how this country has a procedure for incarcerating people for a comment on social media, and yet illegals are given hotels, cash, free treatments and in some cases allowed to continue committing crimes because nobody wants to be accused of stereotyping at best, and at worse racism.

there were warnings this would come and it was ignored then,, and here we are, strangers in our own country. 

[Oldfeller]

5 minutes ago, Mark J said:

I think the opposite, that the desired fate of the NHS has long been decided. 

 

But there you go. 

I just think it's decline has not been addressed in a way that may have reversed or even halted it, the political course of action for years now has not been to cure a problem, whatever it might be, but to simply point the blame to those that were in before you.

maybe that is another reason reform are gaining support.

[Mark J]

4 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

I just think it's decline has not been addressed in a way that may have reversed or even halted it, the political course of action for years now has not been to cure a problem, whatever it might be, but to simply point the blame to those that were in before you.

maybe that is another reason reform are gaining support.

Aye, so we need to fix the thing, not just sell it as 'sold as seen' to the public.

 

Reform will sell the NHS. That's not really a vote winner. 

[Oldfeller]

4 minutes ago, Mark J said:

Aye, so we need to fix the thing, not just sell it as 'sold as seen' to the public.

 

Reform will sell the NHS. That's not really a vote winner. 

but maybe others don't hold your view.

there is definitive proof of the two party system not working, people want to give another party a crack at it, for some it will be reform, others greens, I don't believe there will ever be a party who will cure all problems and keep everyone 100% happy. 

unfortunately I think this country as we know it will cease to be in a shorter time than most imagine,the rate of its demise is accelerating with alarming speed,to what is unimaginable for many.  I won't thankfully be around when that happens.

[Johnsond]

5 minutes ago, Oldfeller said:

but maybe others don't hold your view.

there is definitive proof of the two party system not working, people want to give another party a crack at it, for some it will be reform, others greens, I don't believe there will ever be a party who will cure all problems and keep everyone 100% happy. 

unfortunately I think this country as we know it will cease to be in a shorter time than most imagine,the rate of its demise is accelerating with alarming speed,to what is unimaginable for many.  I won't thankfully be around when that happens.

It has already happened in many parts of the UK 

There are as you can see still those hand wringing blind fools who are living in fantasy land who will argue to let more and more in. 
What none of the Libtards will admit is the NHS is more of an industry than a service, careers and fortunes are made from an organisation that is barely functional, massively over staffed and ultimately virtually untouchable as for any politician to speak the truth about its state is tantamount to political suicide. It has long since lost any resemblance at all to the original idea of why and what it was set up for and how it was supposed to function. 

[Johnsond]

3 hours ago, Steven P said:

we are all humans and all the same.

No we ****************ing ain’t all the same and never will be. Libtard  land and the reality of human nature are two separate things. If you knew the events leading up to the death of the unfortunate kid below you’d understand how deluded and wrong  your comment is. 

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[tree-fancier123]

luckily for the government, most of the UK are keyboard warriors like myself - otherwise if many of us went out protesting and said with our banners 'WE ARE ALL PALESTINE ACTION' - how many thousands could they imprison for 'upto 14 years' at the taxpayers expense? If the numbers were too great the government would simply have to shoot us all instead