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[Steven P]

8 hours ago, Johnsond said:

Whatever way you look at it a Muslim rapist wanted by the Saudi authorities granted asylum in Germany has killed innocent people. 

 

You'll have to post the link to that one (not the screen shot you mde up on MS Paint), none of the news channels I read say anything about any previous crimes. Also post the link to the news report where he rejoined the Islamic faith.

[Johnsond]

2 hours ago, Steven P said:

 

You'll have to post the link to that one (not the screen shot you mde up on MS Paint), none of the news channels I read say anything about any previous crimes. Also post the link to the news report where he rejoined the Islamic faith.

I’ve never used MS paint ( with an I phone 6 seriously 🤷‍♂️give your head a shake) at any time in my life. You know SP what kind of sad bugger would even think along those lines, I guess sitting down and fabricating pure nonsense is an option in your world. 
Do a bit of research SP and see why the Saudis wanted him back or his previous arrests in Germany 🤷‍♂️open you eyes, he can say what he wants but as is always the case actions speak louder than words, in this case he has resorted the the unfortunately familiar Islamist terror tactics inflicted upon innocents at a Xmas market yet again. As I’ve noticed for a good few years on here you get the same left leaning utterly blind apologist types trying to argue the defence case every time. 
 

I look forward to you seeing the information I offered up turn out to be correct. 

Edited Sunday at 01:27 by Johnsond

[Steven P]

 

This:

9 hours ago, Steven P said:

none of the news channels I read say anything about any previous crimes.

 

 

[sime42]

13 hours ago, Johnsond said:

I don’t make the news 42, facts of the day are facts of the day. Hopefully there will be no more Islamist killings or dodgy political appointments tomorrow and you guys can concentrate on bees and bottle tops 👍

You ATL guys more than play your part in taking things down a certain road and aways have on  every thread you ever been on,  there’s pages of comments against anyone you disagree with and plenty of ludicrous comments and accusations with zero proof , so don’t  try and occupy the moral high ground. 
Aside from your standard weak little dig I actually agree with a lot of what’s in the post. Unfortunately cheap food or the countryside is a choice many won’t even think twice over. 

 

I can never work out whether you're a Rhinoceros or a Naked mole-rat.

 

Right then, the ban on neonicotinoid, let's explore that topic a bit further. We can probably find some common ground somewhere. I don't want to assume, so do you choose the countryside over cheap food? I do. Though I don't believe that it has to be a dichotomous choice actually.

 

The thing is, neonicotinoids are mainly used by the Sugar Beet industry, (from what I've heard about those who most strongly oppose the ban), and that's not exactly food is it? Cheap or otherwise. So maybe it isn't a choice between cheap food or the countryside at all in this particular case. I'd guess it's about maximising profit for the industry, hence why the previous muppets refused to impose the ban. Look around you, we don't need any more sugar in the UK. Bees and other flying insects are far more beneficial to us.

[Johnsond]

24 minutes ago, sime42 said:

can never work out whether you're a Rhinoceros or a Naked mole-rat

Stupid way to start a reply imo. Sets the tone 42 in all the wrong ways. 

Anyway it the ATL way I guess. 
Regards the countryside and cheap food, you didn’t pick up on what I was saying. My choice is I’d have thought well known to you if you actually think back. I shoot a lot of my own meat, I use local farm shops and butchers at every opportunity. I’ve spent 13 years landscaping and planting Trees Shrubs etc on the property I’m in now, multiple bird boxes and areas  set aside to do what nature wants. 
My point was/is those living in cities or built up areas etc without the financial resources, inclination or opportunities to possibly hunt or grow food will always be more concerned about the cost than the effects it has upon nature. There’s far more of those types than the likes of myself. 
I’ve actually stalked over beet fields down in Lincolnshire and second only to the forestry  plantations up here they were dull lifeless desolate locations. Unfortunately they both are a part of the world we live in. 
I could go off on a tangent about the link between extra mouths to feed and immigration but I’ll save that for another day. 
 

[openspaceman]

31 minutes ago, sime42 said:

The thing is, neonicotinoids are mainly used by the Sugar Beet industry, (from what I've heard about those who most strongly oppose the ban), and that's not exactly food is it?

I think they are used against flea beetle in OSR establishment too.

 

I took a poor view of beet growing in the 70s over the way British Sugar  dealt with farmers over the soil that was washed off in the factory, a problem with most root crops I expect.

 

Apart from knowing nothing else about sugar beet I think that OSR was too difficult to establish in the 70s and, like maize, it could only be viable with biocides. The principal arable crops are cereals, a farmer can grow  them for two or three years in rotation and then the yield declines too far because of the build up of pests and weeds that a break crop is needed. This is where OSR came in as vegetable oils found new markets but they needed pest control to be profitable.

 

I think big farming has reduced costs to the extent small farming cannot compete on cost and that has lead to a higher proportion of output being from big farms, a bit like forestry and small woodlands.

 

Now my limited knowledge of neonicotinoids is they are systemic, the seed is treated and the active chemical gets taken up by the plant (and the soil to some extent) any insect eating or sucking the young plant is poisoned. All well and good but these plants also flower and the chemical gets in the flower and the pollen.

 

Neonicotinoids have only been in regular use for 30 odd years but given how they work and the drastic reduction in insects in that period why...

[Mark J]

When I was doing my degree we had a day trip to DEFRA. One of the things they had figured out was that the pet flea-repellent that people apply to their cats and dogs was showing up in increasing amounts in monitored hives and tagged bees (there is a person who attaches RFID chips to bees to spy on them and determine when they enter or leave a hive). It seems our flea-free pets are rubbing insecticide on all the plants they brush past.

Edited Sunday at 13:11 by Mark J

[openspaceman]

2 minutes ago, Mark J said:

When I was doing my degree we had a day trip to DEFRA. One of the things they had figured out was that the pet flea-repellent that people apply to their cats and dogs was showing up in increasing amounts in mentored hives and tagged bees (there is a person who attaches RFID chips to bees to spy on them and determine when they enter or leave a hive). It seems our flea-free pets are rubbing insecticide on all the plants they brush past.

Yes I had forgotten that a similar tonnage of neonicotinoids are used on pets as in agriculture.

[AHPP]

11 minutes ago, Mark J said:

When I was doing my degree we had a day trip to DEFRA. One of the things they had figured out was that the pet flea-repellent that people apply to their cats and dogs was showing up in increasing amounts in mentored hives and tagged bees (there is a person who attaches RFID chips to bees to spy on them and determine when they enter or leave a hive). It seems our flea-free pets are rubbing insecticide on all the plants they brush past.

What’s your degree in, Mark? Poisonous pets an interesting thing btw. Never thought of that. 

[Mark J]

11 minutes ago, AHPP said:

What’s your degree in, Mark? Poisonous pets an interesting thing btw. Never thought of that. 

I have one in Arboriculture (2017), and one in Multimedia Design (2000). I got fed up with pixels around 2005 so I decided to climb trees instead.