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[Ian Leach]

No they should not join with the DUP.

I think we all know that's not the right way to go.

 

As for both loosing not really as labour got less than the conservatives.

 

I don't think May will last long though

 

 

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I'd agree she won't last long, sacking (sorry resigning) advisors has given her more time.

 

Is may's team better than, corbyns team for negotiations on Brit exit tho. Cause we all know they both won't be at the table.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Why should he , didn't they both loose hence the hung parliament.

Do people think they should join with the dup, I know quite a few Tories who are pissed off about it, some are not going to vote for them again.

 

Can't totally fathom the recent outrage about a Tory / DUP alliance although I do acknowledge it may not prove to be an easy road to travel.

 

On the one hand:

 

* notwithstanding the NI "issues" which are probably best understood by NI residents.

 

* the pending results of the "burn to earn" enquiry.

 

* noting the possible destabilising effect on the devolved power of NI of appearing to favour one side of that entrenched situation more than the other.

 

* and the issues that may give rise to...

 

...the DUP, just like SF, are the democratically elected representatives of the people of the North of Ireland and have held seats in the mother of all parliaments for some years.

 

If the presence of the DUP, or SF, as democratically elected representatives, is so repugnant why have we not had an equal number of years of outraged protest as the number of years each part has been elected?

 

Why is it only upon the creation of a Tory / DUP alliance that we are suddenly hearing all these outraged voices aligned against the previously openly stated policy positions of the DUP?

 

Where were these outraged voices before?

 

Nowhere that's where, which says to me it's the last gasp of spoilt, petulant career protestors desperately looking for a cause to hang their hat on.

 

If it's an outrage (that the DUP are in parliament) today, then it was an outrage yesterday as sure as night follows day. But there was no protest yesterday, nothing, nada, squat!

 

If you didn't have the hump yesterday, why do you think you should today?

[Richard 1234]

I'd agree she won't last long, sacking (sorry resigning) advisors has given her more time.

 

Is may's team better than, corbyns team for negotiations on Brit exit tho. Cause we all know they both won't be at the table.

 

 

No idea on the teams for the negotiations but I think it would be a good idea to have some proven diplomats along with some proven business people doing it. Where you will find that mix in government is another question!

 

 

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[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Who did you vote for in the end Mr Johnson?

 

Green!

 

What do you think the odds would have been Mr E?? :lol:

 

What about Yerself?

[Richard 1234]

Can't totally fathom the recent outrage about a Tory / DUP alliance although I do acknowledge it may not prove to be an easy road to travel.

 

 

 

On the one hand:

 

 

 

* notwithstanding the NI "issues" which are probably best understood by NI residents.

 

 

 

* the pending results of the "burn to earn" enquiry.

 

 

 

* noting the possible destabilising effect on the devolved power of NI of appearing to favour one side of that entrenched situation more than the other.

 

 

 

* and the issues that may give rise to...

 

 

 

...the DUP, just like SF, are the democratically elected representatives of the people of the North of Ireland and have held seats in the mother of all parliaments for some years.

 

 

 

If the presence of the DUP, or SF, as democratically elected representatives, is so repugnant why have we not had an equal number of years of outraged protest as the number of years each part has been elected?

 

 

 

Why is it only upon the creation of a Tory / DUP alliance that we are suddenly hearing all these outraged voices aligned against the previously openly stated policy positions of the DUP?

 

 

 

Where were these outraged voices before?

 

 

 

Nowhere that's where, which says to me it's the last gasp of spoilt, petulant career protestors desperately looking for a cause to hang their hat on.

 

 

 

If it's an outrage (that the DUP are in parliament) today, then it was an outrage yesterday as sure as night follows day. But there was no protest yesterday, nothing, nada, squat!

 

 

 

If you didn't have the hump yesterday, why do you think you should today?

 

 

I'd not really thought of it in those terms to be honest and you are right.

 

For me the bigger point is we did not need to be in this mess at all. If she had left it alone brexit could have been pushed through parliament regardless.

Who thinks we will get a better deal now that we are in this situation rather than last weeks situation? Not that I ever thought or think it will be a very good outcome. This just plays into the EUs hands

 

 

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[Mark J]

No idea really! Just like May and the rest when they put the manifesto together.

The "dementia tax" winter fuel payments being stopped etc really were a stupid idea as they are things that don't matter to the very rich.

The middle ground and old people would have been hit by it hard. the people they aim to get votes from normally.

 

That along with corybn promising students everything they want for nothing has put us where we are now.

 

 

To add to that I think if labour had not proposed this land value tax thing he might have gone and won

 

 

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I think what will continue to swing the younger voter is the prospect for a liveable minimum wage, rather than the free university tuition. People are happy to work, they just want something to show for it. Like it or not, they're mobilised.

[eggsarascal]

I'd agree she won't last long, sacking (sorry resigning) advisors has given her more time.

 

Is may's team better than, corbyns team for negotiations on Brit exit tho. Cause we all know they both won't be at the table.

 

I'm sorry Ian but you're wrong. Skyhuck told us that Mrs May won't be jacking...... meanwhile, in the real world......

[eggsarascal]

What about Yerself?

 

Labour, waste of a vote in this area.

 

I don't get on with Corbyn (not that I know him personally) but I can't stick Mrs May and her coalition of chaos.

 

Strange times.

[Richard 1234]

I think what will continue to swing the younger voter is the prospect for a liveable minimum wage, rather than the free university tuition. People are happy to work, they just want something to show for it. Like it or not, they're mobilised.

 

 

I think you are wrong on that one. If university students are hoping for minimum wage they should not be there in the first place.

 

If you mean "living" wage for the non graduates/students then maybe but I do wonder how many of those bothered to vote?

 

People being willing to work is a funny thing as I've worked various trades over the years and people seem to want to be paid loads for doing a mediocre job in lots of cases. The good ones move on and do make a good living at whatever they choose to do.

 

How many jobs will be cut if minimum wage went up to £10 an hour next week as some staff simply aren't productive enough. Genuine question as I do think it's a problem

 

 

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[Mark J]

I think you are wrong on that one. If university students are hoping for minimum wage they should not be there in the first place.

 

If you mean "living" wage for the non graduates/students then maybe but I do wonder how many of those bothered to vote?

 

People being willing to work is a funny thing as I've worked various trades over the years and people seem to want to be paid loads for doing a mediocre job in lots of cases. The good ones move on and do make a good living at whatever they choose to do.

 

How many jobs will be cut if minimum wage went up to £10 an hour next week as some staff simply aren't productive enough. Genuine question as I do think it's a problem

 

 

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You've missed my point. Labour's policies are appealing to young people who have no desire to go to university too. They're fed up with being stiched up.

Edited June 10, 2017 by Mark J