Tony Martin, again!

[treequip]

Drawing down farm subsidies by virtue of land owned rather than actually farming - but hey, that's a whole other issue.

 

What grips me with the (as reported) scenario is that the maggots that lead a life of crime, anarchy, disregard for society are so quick to draw the very same comfort blanket of societal rules and regulations over themselves when one of their victims bites back.

 

Shot in the front, shot in the back, all the same to me, one less cockroach leaching an existence from the society they so readily crap on.

 

If I were to meet the surviving crim or the victim, I know which one I'd sit down with.

 

By all means live your own life by your own virtues, but if that means ignoring the basic rules of humanity / society, don't expect to come crawling back for the protection and security of the society you've chosen to live outside and certainly don't expect sympathy when your day goes bad.

 

:congrats:

 

Well Said

[Billhook]

I agree that as the law stands you can't shoot someone in a premeditated way and the prosecution were able to convince the jury in this case.

 

The question is how do you define 'Premeditated'? Is the fact that you've already decided to protect yourself enough to prove that the act is premeditated, if that's the case then anyone who defends themselves could be said to act in a premeditated manner. One of the most basic human instincts is self preservation, are to to be held accountable for acting on what is an inherent instinct.

 

Is it not the right of everyone to act in a premeditated way to protect themselves from a premeditated act, in this case burglery? it seems in this case that in the eyes of the law the answer is no, in other words your destiny is in the hands of the law makers, forces of law and order, courts and the criminals.

 

Pre meditated really refers to killing or wounding someone in this case, not just taking sensible precautions.

 

There was another incident the other day where some horrible little gits broke into someone's house and terrified the elderly couple. unfortunately for him the son and a friend came home and chased him down the street.

They caught him and gave him a severe hiding, which is the sort of thing most of us would say he deserved.

However the son and his friend were pulled up for the beating as there was no imminent threat and the man was running away (as in the Martin case)

They were sentenced to 30 months prison which caused an uproar.

 

Self defence or malicious revenge? Jail for brothers who beat burglar with bat | UK news | The Guardian

 

 

 

By the way when I was looking on google for this case I see I was totally wrong about the man who came downstairs and stabbed the burglar with the kitchen knife as he too was jailed for using excessive force. Uproar again but Tony Martin's case is mentioned in the piece.

 

Father jailed for killing burglar | Daily Mail Online

[Wood wasp]

From article mentioned above:

"The intruders fled when help arrived at the house in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, but the brothers chased and caught one, Walid Salem, a criminal with more than 50 previous convictions. He was then subjected to what Judge John Reddihough described as a "dreadful, violent attack" by the Hussain brothers."

 

50 previous convictions says it all really, how many offences have been committed that he hasn't been charged with?

 

Eggs,

Re the air rifle bit, I don't know in and outs of Tony Martin case and what he's banned from keeping, however if the air rifle was under the legal limit (as most of them are) then it's not classed as a firearm.

Edited January 2, 2016 by Wood wasp

[peatff]

Re the air rifle bit, I don't know in and outs of Tony Martin case and what he's banned from keeping, however if the air rifle was under the legal limit (as most of them are) then it's not classed as a firearm.

 

Until it's used in a threatening manner then it is.

[felixthelogchopper]

From article mentioned above:

"The intruders fled when help arrived at the house in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, but the brothers chased and caught one, Walid Salem, a criminal with more than 50 previous convictions. He was then subjected to what Judge John Reddihough described as a "dreadful, violent attack" by the Hussain brothers."

 

50 previous convictions says it all really, how many offences have been committed that he hasn't been charged with?

 

Eggs,

Re the air rifle bit, I don't know in and outs of Tony Martin case and what he's banned from keeping, however if the air rifle was under the legal limit (as most of them are) then it's not classed as a firearm.

 

The status of an airgun is dependent on the circumstances. IIRC, any criminal act with an airgun can be treated as a firearms offence, regardless of the power level.

[Wood wasp]

The status of an airgun is dependent on the circumstances. IIRC, any criminal act with an airgun can be treated as a firearms offence, regardless of the power level.

 

yes, same as knife in kitchen is fine but using one to hold up the local post office is classed as armed robbery.

 

An airgun under the legal limit is legally not defined as a firearm.

[felixthelogchopper]

yes, same as knife in kitchen is fine but using one to hold up the local post office is classed as armed robbery.

 

An airgun under the legal limit is legally not defined as a firearm.

 

I didn't say defined, I said treated. It comes under Section 19 of the Firearms Act 1968, later amended by Section 41(1) Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. Tony Martin's alleged new offence would come under Section 21 of the 1968 Act.

[Wood wasp]

I didn't say defined, I said treated. It comes under Section 19 of the Firearms Act 1968, later amended by Section 41(1) Violent Crime Reduction Act 2006. Tony Martin's alleged new offence would come under Section 21 of the 1968 Act.

 

I don't know the ins and outs of Tony Martin's particular case but unless the airgun was over the legal limit he wasn't in possession of a firearm.

 

Edit: I'm referring to the media report which said an airgun was recovered from his home.

[Scotty38]

You cannot have a situation where a man like Tony Martin, driven to desperation is allowed to shoot anyone on his land. It may be that one of you lot has an accident near his farm, your wife and kids are trapped in the car and you need a phone for help only to be greeted with blasts from a shotgun.

 

Nor should you have a situation where constant harassment and lack of action drives someone to this level of desperation either.

[felixthelogchopper]

I don't know the ins and outs of Tony Martin's particular case but unless the airgun was over the legal limit he wasn't in possession of a firearm.

 

Edit: I'm referring to the media report which said an airgun was recovered from his home.

 

Here you go. Section 21 of this. Takes a bit of ploughing through but the basic gist is that a received sentence of more than 3 years confers a lifetime ban on firearms or air weapons.

 

Firearms: Legal Guidance: The Crown Prosecution Service