Britain Hating Ideology

[eggsarascal]

Kevin, answer this one for me please.

 

Mrs Egg's work college is talking about chucking the towel in on her job. They work for a big company that make many millions of pounds in profit every year. yet she would be better off staying at home claiming off the state (you and me).

 

Would it not be fairer if she was paid a living wage and paid tax back into the system?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

 

From April 2013, It's quite long one at over 1hr 40, but the biggest surprise for me comes in the first 11mins.

 

Tristram Hunt, a celebrated and learned Marxist - who'd have thought that he would be amongst the first to resign shadow cabinet on the election of Corbyn to the Labour leadership?

 

How odd? Could it be that, despite being such a strong proponent, spouting such Marxist advocacy in 2013, despite his academic idealism and declared social conscience, he simply wasn't able to get alongside what must surely be Labour's closest manifestation of Socialism for many decades?

 

Ain't that strange..... Marxist socialism - Great in theory, not so attractive in reality??

 

And if the prospect of Socialism, in reality, has such an adverse effect upon a fully signed up card carrying comrade, how the hell are the Labour party under Corbyn expecting the (sane) proportion of the electorate to react?

[easy-lift guy]

Socialism and communism are two totally different things.

 

Apologising, if you are in the wrong is the done thing, not a sign of weakness.

 

Get with it Ted.

 

Egg, we have a different opinion and understanding of the Two political and social belief systems. If you had family from Eastern Europe like I do and had lived all of my adult life in the USA, while maintaining contact and visiting my family knowing what they lived through during occupation through post 1989 like I have your perspective may be similar to mine, than again maybe not.

The term apologizing is a sign of weakness is an expression that in fact can be taken in any number of ways, I am with it. I genuinely don't make this up as I go because my family in Poland has lived through it and I have seen what it did to the people and economy. I can also see when enough of the masses elect a communist to run my country and find out how horrible and disgusting this person and his minions have been on many fronts. I have more respect and appreciation of the UK and its citizens, unlike the present leader of my country who really hates and despises the British leaders and through extension its people, IMHO.

easy-lift guy

[mikeh]

Kevin, answer this one for me please.

 

Mrs Egg's work college is talking about chucking the towel in on her job. They work for a big company that make many millions of pounds in profit every year. yet she would be better off staying at home claiming off the state (you and me).

 

Would it not be fairer if she was paid a living wage and paid tax back into the system?

 

Bang on.

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Kevin, answer this one for me please.

 

Mrs Egg's work college is talking about chucking the towel in on her job. They work for a big company that make many millions of pounds in profit every year. yet she would be better off staying at home claiming off the state (you and me).

 

Would it not be fairer if she was paid a living wage and paid tax back into the system?

 

Is it victim culture Eggs? Somebody elses' fault? Somebody elses' responsibility? Rather than a situation that that individual needs to address?

 

The company must be paying (at least) the national minimum wage? The individual's problem with that is that the company is not paying enough to satisfy the "life needs" of that person.

 

This could be overcome by either:

 

- the person taking more work at the same rate

- upgrading / improving skills so as to increase income capacity

- move to other employment that better values (pays for) her skills

- increase income by decreasing outgoing (adjust life style to fit within available funds)

 

And it's the last point which highlights the over generous nature of the current social security system - that it might be seen as a viable option instead of work clearly identifies that it is too good to be true and perpetuates dependance.

 

It's perfectly natural for people to want what is beyond their capacity to achieve. I do it most days! It's the essence of capitalist aspiration. It's what they choose to do about it that matters. Moan, blame 'the system', steal..... or graft and save until they can reach what they want?

 

I've avoided the key issue (I think) you have an ideological issue with and that's the profit level of the company in comparison to the employee's salary?

 

It doesn't seem fair I agree. But who owns the solution the person that wants more or the person that has more?

[easy-lift guy]

So very true.

easy-lift guy

[eggsarascal]

Is it victim culture Eggs? Somebody elses' fault? Somebody elses' responsibility? Rather than a situation that that individual needs to address?

 

The company must be paying (at least) the national minimum wage? The individual's problem with that is that the company is not paying enough to satisfy the "life needs" of that person.

 

This could be overcome by either:

 

- the person taking more work at the same rate

- upgrading / improving skills so as to increase income capacity

- move to other employment that better values (pays for) her skills

- increase income by decreasing outgoing (adjust life style to fit within available funds)

 

And it's the last point which highlights the over generous nature of the current social security system - that it might be seen as a viable option instead of work clearly identifies that it is too good to be true and perpetuates dependance.

 

It's perfectly natural for people to want what is beyond their capacity to achieve. I do it most days! It's the essence of capitalist aspiration. It's what they choose to do about it that matters. Moan, blame 'the system', steal..... or graft and save until they can reach what they want?

 

I've avoided the key issue (I think) you have an ideological issue with and that's the profit level of the company in comparison to the employee's salary?

 

It doesn't seem fair I agree. But who owns the solution the person that wants more or the person that has more?

 

All good and well Kevin.

 

Your a lot smarter wordsmith than myself. I'll have ago back mind.

 

This lady is educated to degree standard. Admittedly she only works part time for the company that Mrs Egg works for. She is also a Hair Dresser and works evenings and weekends to make things add up.

 

I just can't see how someone working two jobs is still struggling to pay for child care, so she can go to work! when big business are making millions in profit every year.

 

I'm sure There are spunkers out there, but she doesn't seem to be one.

[Vespasian]

I've a good theory on this problem..

 

Give women £150 a week for their first child, then 70 for the second.. 30 for a third, then none thereafter...

 

find a mechanism to drive down rents and morgage costs and pretty soon everyones gonna be happier..

 

Apart from city institutions that is, they like to see house price inflation as it inflates the value of their assets..

[stihlmadasever]

Kevin, answer this one for me please.

 

Mrs Egg's work college is talking about chucking the towel in on her job. They work for a big company that make many millions of pounds in profit every year. yet she would be better off staying at home claiming off the state (you and me).

 

Would it not be fairer if she was paid a living wage and paid tax back into the system?

 

Yes it would eggs,unfortunatly we have a government who place so much emphasis on being employed yet forget how much those employees are remunerated.Working poverty is all too common nowadays.

[GreenGui]

Yes it would eggs,unfortunatly we have a government who place so much emphasis on being employed yet forget how much those employees are remunerated.Working poverty is all too common nowadays.

 

They don't forget anything. Its a strategy.