Am I nuts?

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

All good stuff previously. Only thing I'd add is if you're going to quit, quit on your terms, at a time and place of your choosing.

 

Eggs makes good points about going high up the chain, 2 or 3 or maximum level above your immediate boss.

 

From that higher perspective its sometimes easier to see that the problem lies in the management of the work force not in the work force.

 

When people start to quit (unless it's a higher management strategy) it's usually obvious that line management is weak or the source of the problem.

[eggsarascal]

What did you do Taupo?

[Taupotreeman]

What did you do Taupo?

 

 

I took my resignation in with me but it's still tucked into my diary. My best mate rang me and encouraged me to hold fire until A. HR had talked to me and B. I found out if the leaving of my 2 IC maybe shook them a little. I have a week and half's grace before I need to drop my resignation in (termination date of 13th November) to see how they approach me over that week and a half. If it's still the same BS at least I'll have had chance to lay a formal complaint with HR. And drum up so work of course.

[felixthelogchopper]

I took my resignation in with me but it's still tucked into my diary. My best mate rang me and encouraged me to hold fire until A. HR had talked to me and B. I found out if the leaving of my 2 IC maybe shook them a little. I have a week and half's grace before I need to drop my resignation in (termination date of 13th November) to see how they approach me over that week and a half. If it's still the same BS at least I'll have had chance to lay a formal complaint with HR. And drum up so work of course.

 

Very wise.

[10 Bears]

Taupo - I am pleased that you didn't rush headlong into handing in your notice. Its easy to do on a whim when you are feeling low, but sometimes the most sensible option is to hold back a while and weigh up the odds before committing. It sounds like your mate was thinking along the same lines and talked you round, so good for both of you.

 

I assume the wait to see if they change their approach to you, following the resignation of your second in charge is the week and a half grace period you are giving them. My thoughts are to not just sit back and wait for the changes, but to use the impact of the other chap leaving as a way to manipulate the situation to your favour.

 

Have a sit down, but informal, chat with either your HR or one of the offending bosses and lay it on a bit - but mainly talking about the views of the other guy. What I mean is, discuss how he came to you and said how their actions were making him unhappy, how they do a certain X and it affected him by Y etc. all of which compounded to make him leave. Of course, you should discuss the things that are getting to you, but do so in a way that you can offload the problems on the chap that left.

 

The reasons for this, is that you will get a real sense of whether or not they are likely to change their attitude to management in the workplace. If you sit back and just watch for the next week and a half - they may not even recognise that there is a problem and they will just carry on as before.

 

So, use the momentum of the situation to your favour. Try and force some positive change by pointing out why they were bad managers in the other chap's opinion. If they act on it in the next week and a half, then it may be all the best for you. Otherwise, you will have given them a chance and they blew it, so you can then move on with a clear conscience and not look back.

 

Either way its a tough spot to be in, so I wish you all the best with your choices.

[Goaty]

Having spent a Sunday morning a couple of years ago with taupotreeman and seeing the short term stupidity he has to deal with the mentality of a portion if the local community that seem to be very selfish and short sighted, tree blocking my view poison it types.

 

Also the local authority are 60 years behind in their attitude to tree welfare. Taupo has a Herculean task really.

On the one hand life's to short to be miserable at work, it's a big chunk of life. Yet on the other some of these hiearachy people may disappear soon.

 

Definitely worth meeting a top dog at their office, or maybe catching them personally off the record to test the water.

 

If Taupo doesn't appreciate you somewhere else will.

[Taupotreeman]

Having spent a Sunday morning a couple of years ago with taupotreeman and seeing the short term stupidity he has to deal with the mentality of a portion if the local community that seem to be very selfish and short sighted, tree blocking my view poison it types.

 

Also the local authority are 60 years behind in their attitude to tree welfare. Taupo has a Herculean task really.

On the one hand life's to short to be miserable at work, it's a big chunk of life. Yet on the other some of these hiearachy people may disappear soon.

 

Definitely worth meeting a top dog at their office, or maybe catching them personally off the record to test the water.

 

If Taupo doesn't appreciate you somewhere else will.

 

 

Cheers Goaty

 

So, turns out HR would rather it be swept under the carpet so they don't have to deal with the issue. Even my H&S manager told me that once senior management get told something they don't want to hear it just gets completely ignored.

 

Asked one of the other managers yesterday if he knew what was happening in regards to a replacement for my 2IC and apparently he is out of the loop. We have contractors coming in to price quite a few of the bigger jobs that my unit used to tackle. Obviously, when my 2IC leaves I can do nothing over 3m as my remaining groundy isn't a qualified rescue climber. Seems a bit of a waste of a good truck and 12inch chipper if all we can do is light pruning. Neither are arborists, good qualified ones at least, easy to come by so not sure if they intend to put a trainee on with me (which won't help us progress any) or just disband the unit. Nobody has asked for my input or thoughts. I'm just a mushroom it seems.

 

Anyway, currently planning my exit strategy a little better than throwing a tantrum and handing in my notice but the more I realise the enjoyment has been totally removed from the job the more I figure that I need to move on to rediscover that enjoyment.

[felixthelogchopper]

Cheers Goaty

 

So, turns out HR would rather it be swept under the carpet so they don't have to deal with the issue. Even my H&S manager told me that once senior management get told something they don't want to hear it just gets completely ignored.

 

Asked one of the other managers yesterday if he knew what was happening in regards to a replacement for my 2IC and apparently he is out of the loop. We have contractors coming in to price quite a few of the bigger jobs that my unit used to tackle. Obviously, when my 2IC leaves I can do nothing over 3m as my remaining groundy isn't a qualified rescue climber. Seems a bit of a waste of a good truck and 12inch chipper if all we can do is light pruning. Neither are arborists, good qualified ones at least, easy to come by so not sure if they intend to put a trainee on with me (which won't help us progress any) or just disband the unit. Nobody has asked for my input or thoughts. I'm just a mushroom it seems.

 

Anyway, currently planning my exit strategy a little better than throwing a tantrum and handing in my notice but the more I realise the enjoyment has been totally removed from the job the more I figure that I need to move on to rediscover that enjoyment.

 

I don't think it's difficult to see what the HR plan is here. Assuming redundancy works the same way there as here, you getting fed up and leaving is the result they are looking for as you go for free. You need to work out the way to get the best pay out when you decide to go. I think it's time you went to see an employment law specialist.

[eggsarascal]

I don't think it's difficult to see what the HR plan is here. Assuming redundancy works the same way there as here, you getting fed up and leaving is the result they are looking for as you go for free. You need to work out the way to get the best pay out when you decide to go. I think it's time you went to see an employment law specialist.

 

Sounds like the company want to outsource Taupo's department. I got into a big water company in this way, subbed-in when the company THOUGHT outsourcing was a good idea, it wasn't.

 

Best advice I took was from a solicitor that knew employment/redundancy law inside-out. If I'd have listened to the HR department and the Union I would have been on a 'hiding to nothing'

[Stephen Blair]

Well done, take control of your life!

Set yourself free.

I was in that position 3 years ago , when it was me and my guys, bliss!

Bring in made up management!

6 months of itching and heartburn plus paranoia!!!

Well you know the rest!

Enjoy your new life mate!