Cable brace a hornbeam?

[Buzz]

quite the opposite in fact. by installing a cable brace you are admitting the tree has a problem.

 

He's allready highlighted that in his tree report Steve, he's already admitted there is a problem. He can't do nothing as Tony has pointed out but IMO a brace is better than felling a tree that will probably never fail.

 

Difficult to tell without pictures.

[Mesterh]

Why do you think that it will probably never fail?

[Buzz]

How many trees out there have inclusions that never fail.. an awful bloomin lot i'd wager.

 

A Hornbeam, fairly small that's grown in isolation will be fairly strong but heh what do i know lol

[Mesterh]

How many trees out there have inclusions that never fail.. an awful bloomin lot i'd wager.

 

A Hornbeam, fairly small that's grown in isolation will be fairly strong but heh what do i know lol

 

Prob loads that dont fail (before something else kills them) but I have only really taken notice of the ones that have and there is an awful lot of those too.

 

 

You prob know more than me, but thats not saying a lot:tongue_smilie:

[Steve Bullman]

Not so really...when you think about it, you have infact taken an appropriate and professionally informed measure to insure against an incident and so done your job

 

i agree totally......but i think in a court of law it could be twisted more towards my original statement.

 

i stay away from these matters for these reasons! i should probably stay out of such threads also:blushing:

[combined tree services]

i personally would brace the tree and give the tree a small weight reduction either by an overall reduction or by thinning , at least this way you have done everything you can to guard against failure . but i do agree that this is a tricky situation to be in .

 

i guess the other option woud be to fell the tree and re-plant!

[combined tree services]

i personally would brace the tree and give the tree a small weight reduction either by an overall reduction or by thinning , at least this way you have done everything you can to guard against failure . but i do agree that this is a tricky situation to be in .

[John Hancock]

On a related subject have a look at this link, it was covered in brief at a recent Barchams seminar covering wind-loading and crown reductions.

 

http://www.cba.ufl.edu/purc/docs/presentation_2006Gurley.pdf

[Marc]

but I have only really taken notice of the ones that have and there is an awful lot of those too.

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I used to think like this, being an arborist i'm usually working on trees that have gone bad shall we say, failed unions, hazard beams, lifted roots plates, structual failures because of fungal pathogeons etc.

 

Recently i'm fascinated by trees with historic defects, wish i used my camera more to take photos of these trees, trees do have an uncanny ability to adapt and stay standing even with defects we class as a serious hazard, like Matt say there are shed loads of trees around with included unions that will outlive us all.

Somtimes its good to get out into the woods to look at trees that have had little human intervention, often i see trees that anywhere else would be served a letter of condemenation.

 

Obviously though in the urban enviroment its different you can't just leave trees to naturally do there thing. Lessons can still be learned from how trees adapt and continue growing in other areas it can and does make you look at trees differently.

 

Its been mentioned the financial implication of retaining a tree that will need constant monitoring, i'm all for retaining a tree as long as possible, financially it makes more sense for us!

Being a school they'll need to have there tree inspected regularly anyway along with the rest of the trees on the site, given that its a Hornbeam and not very vigourous i'd say put a strong non invasive brace in at the appropiate height if the union fails and the brace is installed appropiatly then it should catch the limb, also replant now with a view to fell the tree in the future when its replacement is a decent size, space permitting.

[Highland Forestry]

I would just brace the tree and monitor. No need for a reduction and extra hassle.

 

If at some point in the future the tree si still deemed to have a potential to fail and the situation looks worse then fell and re-plant.