Urgent..Accident to climber caused by groundsman lacking Aerial Rescue skills

[Gary Prentice]

The TO at Brighton and Hove has asked on UKTC for information regarding the absence of a rescue climber/groundsman leading to greater injury/harm.

 

I'm assuming that he he needs to defend a (righteous) position or stance. Can anyone provide information to support this?

 

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/14efef9ef34ef3e2

[Tom D]

I don't think you can link to a mail account, try cutting and pasting into a reply..

[idbrew]

Yes the TO man needs examples where serious harm could have been prevented had there been an aerial rescuer present at the time of the accident. There are a few vague examples from the HSE website but there maybe other factiual examples which can be used as reference. This info needs to be with the man before 9am tomorrow.all help gratefully received.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Yes the TO man needs examples where serious harm could have been prevented had there been an aerial rescuer present at the time of the accident. There are a few vague examples from the HSE website but there maybe other factiual examples which can be used as reference. This info needs to be with the man before 9am tomorrow.all help gratefully received.

 

Whilst "real life examples" are useful to reinforce regulations, the W@H Reg. 4 duty includes planning to include emergency arrangements AND rescue.

Further this is reinforced in industry guidance, including:

AFAG 401 & 402

AA Guide to Good Tree Climbing Practice

HSE 401 Working at Height - a brief guide

 

Paul

[combined tree services]

Personally I don't believe that real life examples are overly useful - having a poorly organised site,poorly trained team , lack of climbing experience, lack of rescue refresher/practice etc . You could have a groundsman with the required proof of training however if he doesn't climb and has a limited/unfamiliar kit then the chances of him managing to change the outcome are most likely to be limited.

 

 

I personally feel that the industry needs to change it's current stance on the seriousness of rescue requirements - it should not be a " tick box" requirement that is considered and optional . Sadly it seems that the bigger the company the more common it is for climbers to be sent out with teams that lack what ought to be smile and every day skills such as site planning and organisation , dedicated rescue climbers on every site and a mandatory requirement to rehearse rescues every six months and be able to provide proof of all rehearsals.

[Stephen Blair]

In small companies the good climber gets the work, usually the boss.

In a big company the person with the pen gets the work and the guys with the visi vests do the jobs.

The big contracts are run by auditors who think every tree is the same and they push pens, they have no idea how it really works!

Then little Joe Blogs falls out a tree he should never of been in and the auditors need paperwork to pass onto other paperwork junkies to look over and try and pass the buck onto someone with not enough paperwork!

Just saying!

Edited August 15, 2015 by Stephen Blair

[Adam Bourne]

In small companies the good climber gets the work, usually the boss.

In a big company the person with the pen gets the work and the guys with the visi vests do the jobs.

The big contracts are run by auditors who think every tree is the same and they push pens, they have no idea how it really works!

Then little Joe Blogs falls out a tree he should never of been in and the auditors need paperwork to pass onto other paperwork junkies to look over and try and pass the buck onto someone with not enough paperwork!

Just saying!

 

 

And well said that man!!

[Tom D]

That pretty much sums it up.

[Old Mill Tree Care]

In small companies the good climber gets the work, usually the boss.

In a big company the person with the pen gets the work and the guys with the visi vests do the jobs.

The big contracts are run by auditors who think every tree is the same and they push pens, they have no idea how it really works!

Then little Joe Blogs falls out a tree he should never of been in and the auditors need paperwork to pass onto other paperwork junkies to look over and try and pass the buck onto someone with not enough paperwork!

Just saying!

 

Right on, especially the last bit.

[penfold]

This was summed up quite nicely in Yes, Minister by Sir Humphrey. (would have attached the appropriate link but it never seems to work for me.)