Arbtalk 2015 General Election Poll

[Tom D]

My point is that they are not plotting to kill us because they are immigrants. The people leaving to join IS are British born and bred, as were the London bombers. Their misplaced gripe is idealistic not geographic. If there were no fundamentalist islamists in the country they would just change their tactics and fly planes into us instead.

The best way (in my view) to protect yourself and your family would be to lobby for less military intervention in conflict areas. Creating a closed and paranoid country will not help matters.

 

Sadly this is an often repeated but fundamentally wrong view. The majority of muslims in britain are peaceful and mean the rest of us no harm, unfortunately there are those who believe in the sharia and who would like to see its imposition across the world, wherever muslims live. Christians have their fundamentalists too, there are protests against gay pride etc by some pretty horrible christian fundamentalists in the US. Fundamentalism must be put down where ever we find it because its message is never one of peace or tolerance.

 

IMO we need to completely disassociate the state from any kind of religion, no religion in parliament, none in schools etc.

 

Most religions are peaceful if you don't follow them to the extreme, but because so many of them evolved a long time ago they are positively medieval when followed to the extreme. Its not that long ago that we were burning witches, and unfortunately extremist islam is about at the same evolutionary level, we can't wait 500 years for it to evolve into something more peaceful but we could help things along a little. If we want less terrorism then we need less religion.

 

Sadly no political party is suggesting this, but it is becoming clear that the british form of multiculturalism has been a failure. And its time we looked at it again.

[Richard 1234]

what is ignorant/lazy/dangerous about wanting more housing better jobs without crap wages on zero hr contracts less overcrowding in the nhs for british people? we will never get to this with massive immigration yeah yeah i know i sound racist.

 

 

I'm sure you said you were from an immigrate family?

[the village idiot]

Sadly this is an often repeated but fundamentally wrong view. The majority of muslims in britain are peaceful and mean the rest of us no harm, unfortunately there are those who believe in the sharia and who would like to see its imposition across the world, wherever muslims live. Christians have their fundamentalists too, there are protests against gay pride etc by some pretty horrible christian fundamentalists in the US. Fundamentalism must be put down where ever we find it because its message is never one of peace or tolerance.

 

IMO we need to completely disassociate the state from any kind of religion, no religion in parliament, none in schools etc.

 

Most religions are peaceful if you don't follow them to the extreme, but because so many of them evolved a long time ago they are positively medieval when followed to the extreme. Its not that long ago that we were burning witches, and unfortunately extremist islam is about at the same evolutionary level, we can't wait 500 years for it to evolve into something more peaceful but we could help things along a little. If we want less terrorism then we need less religion.

 

Sadly no political party is suggesting this, but it is becoming clear that the british form of multiculturalism has been a failure. And its time we looked at it again.

 

Couldn't agree more about banishing religion from the state, unfortunately no political party is offering this as a vision so we can't vote it in. A feasible first step might be to involve ourselves less in religiously motivated conflict in other parts of the world?

[Tom D]

I find it pretty sick that we were prepared to do to war against Sadam but aren't against ISIS. ISIS make Sadam look like Desmond Tutu.

 

I find fundamentalist islam so repugnant that I was happy with the war in Afganistan and would be happy if we did more against ISIS, the Iraq war however was a mistake. If we and the yanks had put the resources we used in Iraq into afganistan instead we would have had a much better result in Afganistan and Sadam would likely have been toppled in the arab spring anyway.

[the village idiot]

Maybe we ought to replace religious education with Mindfulness lessons?

 

To paraphrase the Dalai Lama:

 

If every eight year old was taught to meditate we would eradicate world violence within a generation.

[Two Acres]

We're constantly being told by the politically correct and other leftwingers that we need mass immigration because there are jobs British people wont do and we need to import people to do those jobs.

This is one of the most racist arguments you will hear in support of immigration.

 

It's saying there are jobs British people wont do and really shouldn't do, they shouldn't even be encouraged to do because we will bring in people from poor countries around the world who are willing to work for nothing to provide us with cheap labour.

 

Then you have that other racist argument from the left that we should go around the world and cherry pick the best nurses, doctors, scientists and other professionals who have been educated in their own countries and welcome them to the UK to make sure they benefit us instead of their home countries, this is racism.

 

If you use either of these arguments to support immigration you are a racist.

 

 

 

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Really? I think you'll find its the right that wants immigration - its cheap labour isn't it. They may huff and puff about wanting to cut the numbers coming in but at the end of the day business won't allow the UK to leave the EU.

[Wood wasp]

From today's BBC website:

 

Italian police say they have arrested 15 Muslim migrants after they allegedly threw 12 Christians overboard following a row on a boat heading to Italy.

 

The 15 Muslim migrants involved in the row with Christians were arrested in the Sicilian city of Palermo and charged with "multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate".

The suspects, who are from the Ivory Coast, Senegal, Mali and Guinea, were among 105 migrants travelling in an inflatable boat that left Libya on Tuesday.

Eyewitnesses told police how the altercation resulted in Christians being thrown overboard, and that some of the survivors had formed human chains to avoid a similar fate.

Edited April 16, 2015 by Wood wasp

[Mortimer Firewood]

it was Africans that sold other Africans to the slave traders. There's still slavery in Africa today.... that's nothing to do with us...

 

You see all those charities wanting money for wells because Africans don't have the ability to dig wells for themselves, then you say Africa could have been a superpower if we had left them alone? Africa is, and always will be a basket case.

 

Your telling me about history after your comments :lol:

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

BBC1 now - what a flippin disgrace! Well and truly hand picked audience :thumbdown:

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

From today's BBC website:

 

Italian police say they have arrested 15 Muslim migrants after they allegedly threw 12 Christians overboard following a row on a boat heading to Italy.

 

The 15 Muslim migrants involved in the row with Christians were arrested in the Sicilian city of Palermo and charged with "multiple aggravated murder motivated by religious hate".

The suspects, who are from the Ivory Coast, Senegal, Mali and Guinea, were among 105 migrants travelling in an inflatable boat that left Libya on Tuesday.

Eyewitnesses told police how the altercation resulted in Christians being thrown overboard, and that some of the survivors had formed human chains to avoid a similar fate.

 

You won't get many saying "here here"; Christian bashing is flavour of the season after all.