Safety - say it like it is...

[skyhuck]

Sounds like a dodgy outfit.

Like all industries there' good and bad. It just seems the crap tabloids just publicise extreme negatives all the time.

 

Safety, as you say, is common sense but the number and severity of accidents dictates (as does the law) that safe practices must be followed.

 

There was a thread the other day about climbers refusing to go up a tree they considered dangerous. The Safety legislation provides them guys with some ammunition. In earlier times they would have been sacked immediately with no come-back.

 

I personally feel, on balance, that the enforcement of safe working pracice is

a bloody good idea, the abandonment of it is a potentially bloody idea.

 

No, they would have just got on an done it.

 

Give people easy options and they will take them.

 

Look a lost days due to illness, according to the figures being self employed must be extremely good for your health

 

Look at the benefits cuts, suddenly people can find a job or start a business

[scotspine1]

Most of the people people in the 'safety industry' are parasites that feed off the labour of people doing real work and real jobs.

 

They are the legacy of the collapse of the British Empire.

 

Once upon a time you had about 100,000 British ex-pat bureaucrats over seeing the colonies, telling the natives what do etc. After WW2 and the forced break up of the British Empire all the pen pushers had to reluctantly come home. Over the next few decades with the help of the communists they set about re-creating the stifling bureaucracy of the colonies here within the United Kingdom, and their victims would be us - hard working business owners and the self employed.

 

In short they created the monstrosity that became today's despotic empire of nonsense - the Health and Safety Executive.

 

In short if you need help with 'safety' you're either

 

A - someone who shouldn't be doing treework ie you dont have a natural aptitude for assessing risk or natural empathy for what the job requires.

 

or

 

B - someone who is easily parted with their money.

[skyhuck]

Many years ago I was talking to a farmer, he held up his hand and pointed to each of his fingers, saying this one is the banker, this one the tax man, this one solicitors, this one the HSE, he then pointed to his thumb and said this is me, I have to work hard enough to carry all these suits.

 

I could very much see his point.

Edited January 29, 2015 by skyhuck

[kevinjohnsonmbe]

Most of the people people in the 'safety industry' are parasites that feed off the labour of people doing real work and real jobs.

 

They are the legacy of the collapse of the British Empire.

 

Once upon a time you had about 100,000 British ex-pat bureaucrats over seeing the colonies, telling the natives what do etc. After WW2 and the forced break up of the British Empire all the pen pushers had to reluctantly come home. Over the next few decades with the help of the communists they set about re-creating the stifling bureaucracy of the colonies here within the United Kingdom, and their victims would be us - hard working business owners and the self employed.

 

In short they created the monstrosity that became today's despotic empire of nonsense - the Health and Safety Executive.

 

In short if you need help with 'safety' you're either

 

A - someone who shouldn't be doing treework ie you dont have a natural aptitude for assessing risk or natural empathy for what the job requires.

 

or

 

B - someone who is easily parted with their money.

 

Brilliant!:lol:

 

I like that!

 

Not sure it would form any sort of legal defence but it's easy to read between the lines of how you'd feel about that!

 

[Safety Steve]

Brilliant!:lol:

 

I like that!

 

Not sure it would form any sort of legal defence but it's easy to read between the lines of how you'd feel about that!

 

 

... but would be delivered better by a V Meldrew or Mr Cleese perhaps?

[Paul Barton]

 

Did you know that 40% of all sick days are on a Monday or Friday!

 

That means 60% are on Tuesday, Wednesday or Thursday. Which averages out at 20% each day of the week.

[AA Teccie (Paul)]

Treework is inherently dangerous, a point we all acknowledge.

 

Getting it right at the sharp-end, forgive the pun, is the essence of 'applied' safety. By choosing the right people/employees n having a healthy respect for what we do goes a long way to achieving safety, NOT forgetting (good) experience of course, and these are often the behavioural aspects that prevail.

 

Hence, IME, it's often not the 'operational' safety aspects that are failing but perhaps more the 'health' aspects, HAVS / NIHL (Workplace Deafness) / MSDs etc., AND, more often, the 'compliance' aspects of the business. This, i.e. 'compliance', often controls access to commercial work, in particular, and that's the primary benefit perhaps that H&S advisors and accreditation can therefore bring.

 

Along with protecting you as the employer in the (unlikely) event of an accident / incident having the necessary stuff in place can also serve to reassure your insurers you are doing what you need to / should be.

 

SORRY, sounding like a sales pitch now , BUT please do think it through carefully.

 

Cheers all..

Paul (the AA "pen-pusher" )

[wrsni]

PS, I make that 2-2 now!

 

There's only one score that really matters and that is,

 

H&S - 1 UK industry - 0

 

The country is in the state it is because we don't produce enough, and we don't produce enough because we have far too many unproductive people, and that's not just fat over-weight chavs lying around council estates eating pizza and watching Jeremy Kyle.

 

Nobody is advocating people getting killed and maimed left right and center, that's just typical of the type of bollocks point expressed by people when they can't muster a decent counter argument.

 

When I worked in the power station in the late seventies there was ONE full time health and safety man for the whole site, and he had no difficulty saying all that was needed and could actually get the necessary messages across very well. But the entire concept has just run amok, partly due to the ridiculous burgeoning of our public sector but then an equally unnecessary growth of a private dimension on the back of that. In fact not only is the whole thing unnecessary but utterly counter-productive and damaging.

 

Both of them need to be addressed before the country starts to make any headway again.

Edited January 29, 2015 by wrsni

[wrsni]

Most of the people people in the 'safety industry' are parasites that feed off the labour of people doing real work and real jobs.

 

They are the legacy of the collapse of the British Empire.

 

Once upon a time you had about 100,000 British ex-pat bureaucrats over seeing the colonies, telling the natives what do etc. After WW2 and the forced break up of the British Empire all the pen pushers had to reluctantly come home. Over the next few decades with the help of the communists they set about re-creating the stifling bureaucracy of the colonies here within the United Kingdom, and their victims would be us - hard working business owners and the self employed.

 

In short they created the monstrosity that became today's despotic empire of nonsense - the Health and Safety Executive.

 

In short if you need help with 'safety' you're either

 

A - someone who shouldn't be doing treework ie you dont have a natural aptitude for assessing risk or natural empathy for what the job requires.

 

or

 

B - someone who is easily parted with their money.

 

 

...................and all of that as well!

[Shane]

No, they would have just got on an done it.

 

Give people easy options and they will take them.

 

Look a lost days due to illness, according to the figures being self employed must be extremely good for your health

 

Look at the benefits cuts, suddenly people can find a job or start a business

 

I know where youre coming from, but I disagree,

Those who like to sit on their botties are a waste of time..

But are things really that much worse now?

Depends who you listen to.

 

It was great when kids worked down the mines, and miners had to buy their own tools. Go to the slate mine museum in Llanberis and see how they used to slave (sorry, work) - ahhh bring back those good old days.

16 hours a day never killed anyone - or did it.