Another fine Ash reduction

[skyhuck]

I'm not so sure if it's lack of knowledge or the attitude that "if I don't do it someone else will" and then calling it a pollard as a salve to the conscience.

 

I predict that in the future, the regrowth from a tree like this will fail, cause damage, injury or a death. In court, the claimants barrister will say that the failure was foreseeable and a result of decay at a internodal/topping cut.

 

The tree surgeon will be asked if the cut was current best practice or recommended in the Brit Standard. There will be no defence that that was what the client wanted, as the tree surgeon is the specialist and should have either a) persuaded the client to remove the tree or do something else or b)refused the job.

Can you imagine a Corgi registered gas fitter doing something wrong, just cos that was how the client wanted it?

 

Sorry if it sounds like I'm on a soapbox, but I hate this practice, I think it's harmful to the industry to continue to do it. How do we proclaim ourselves surgeons when we practice butchery?

 

Do you genuinely believe this?

[Gary Prentice]

Do you genuinely believe this?

 

Think i'm going to get ridiculed, but yes I do. Have a look at Stagecoach V Hinds and Steel. https://tinyurl.com/kno42gp

 

In that case the claimant (Stagecoach) were trying to blame a tree surgeon for failing in his duty of care as a 'specialist' in trees. It took Barrell to argue that the decay wouldn't have been visible without a determined inspection - which was outside of the tree surgeons remit in the particular circumstances.

 

We have guidelines or recomendations within BS3998. When we fail to adhere to them at what stage do we become negligent or liable?

 

It's okay to claim that the owner was informed that it's a poor practice and will need repeating to manage the regrowth, but a barrister would argue (IMO) that something was done which required further action outside the control of the practicioner. What happens when the original owner moves and the new owner stops managing the tree?

 

I believe that the customer, generally expects the tree surgeon to provide information and do work that is right. We are, supposedly, the specialists in the care, study and management of amenity trees. It's not a great step forward that eventually the legal profession we look at us the same way, so when we do something wrong and against best practice/recommendation/standard - we will be held accountable.

[combined tree services]

I detest the term "surgeon" when applied to us :thumb down:

 

:congrats:

 

I have never understood why the term is applied to what we do . It is not really like what we do has any benefit for the tree in most cases

[Mountain man]

I suppose it was coined to make us sound more like a "professional"

Meaning in the lawyer,doctor,solicitor sense.

[Gary Prentice]

Were not surgeons, we trim and fell trees.

"I predict this will cause injury, damage or death"

Lol

 

So all your pruning causes injury, damage or death?

[Gary Prentice]

I detest the term "surgeon" when applied to us

 

Arboriculturist is a bit of a mouthful and then requires an explanation to most people.

[Mountain man]

So all your pruning causes injury, damage or death?

 

I was quoting your ridiculous hyperbole.

[Gary Prentice]

I was quoting your ridiculous hyperbole.

 

So you've never seen decay and failure at a internodal cut? Couple of months ago a woman waiting at a bus stop died, in London, when a stem failed from a ' lapsed pollard'

 

Ridulous hyperbole? Look it up, pal.

[Shane]

It could have been left looking a lot better.

Trees are there, (amongst other things) to look good, to create habitat and to provide oxygen. When an Audi owner wants it hacked, many will do their bidding, but hopefully advise against it.

 

If your local tattooed mr Dick-Ed wants it mullered and all us 'professionals' refuse, then it will open the door for the aluminium club to do the work. Try taking them to court to face your barristers.

 

As has been said on dozens of threads before (and no doubt after) this one, all WE can do is keep on doing OUR jobs in a professional manner.

[Mountain man]

Where's the link and photos, then I'll pass opinion.

 

 

 

"Pal"