Opinions/options?

[White Noise]

I would install Cobra bracing near the main trunk and then another brace near the tip of that limb . If in doubt of the safety regarding the youguns then remove the offending limb . Simple really Absolute glowing post / asking advice .

[Philip Anderson]

I'm not excluding fell and replant. Better to retain and plant some more as well.

 

Agreed but very difficult to achieve in that position with light and root competition .

[Marc]

I'm not excluding fell and replant. Better to retain and plant some more as well.

 

If possible a great option to, here is one of ours. We have recently lightly ruined this tree and installed a custom steel prop, along with mulch circle to drip line.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Marc

[David Humphries]

Lightly ruined or lightly pruned

 

 

 

 

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[Marc]

Lightly ruined or lightly pruned

 

 

 

 

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damn predictive text, and open to opinion, at the end of day that is all this game is often about one mans opinion.

Edited July 31, 2014 by Marc

[treeseer]

If possible a great option to, here is one of ours. We have recently lightly ruined this tree.

I first heard this verb as a pruning spec this June, and tried to sort out its meaning in practice. It would help very much to see an 'after' image of that tree, if you could?

 

The conceptual connection between "Wow look at that defect" ergo "Cut most of it off (ruin it) so it doesn't fail in my lifetime and makes habitat" seems to short-circuit the assessment process. When the VTA going gets tough, the tree and the owner need the arborist to step back, take a breath, and

 

Look at the tree as segments = see what's holding it up, and

 

Carefully consider how it might fail, and what to do about it.

 

The assessor MUST take the time and concentration on these steps. When s/he looks for ways around this challenging process, that's when opinions like "occasionally the reality is fell and replace is the wiser option" start getting bandied about, as if we are wiser than the owner about their budget, their values and those of the surrounding community (human and ecological), etc. etc. We are there to present ALL reasonable options, not to make up their minds for them by imposing our views of 'reality' and our alleged 'wisdom'.

 

David, in response to your question, would your recent vid of the oak in the field getting coronetted be considered a light ruin or a hard prune? The size of the cuts (20 cm?)and amount of green lost seemed to guarantee the spread of heart rot, which is all good if saproxylic habitat is the primary goal.

Maybe the difference is that Ruining takes away natural structure and viable defenses that the tree can Retrench back to, while Pruning preserves the growth habit, structure, and the tree's ability to manage the associates.

 

As for the OP beech, it's way overdue for a structural pruning all around, as evidenced by the failure. The limb now in question has a bad fork that would NOT benefit from extra movement, so dynamic cable would NOT be the choice. 3/16" steel would work, but let's step back and take a breath and suss out the entire tree before presuming to judge what fate is best for it.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

The limb that failed was complicated, fused at one side and compressed at the other, add summer branch conditions and inevitable.

 

My big concern is the shortly to follow dysfunctions associated with the large cambium scar from the but end of the limb on the way down. I would do a 30% by volume (End Wieght) reduction and re asses in five years time

[Marc]

I first heard this verb as a pruning spec this June, and tried to sort out its meaning in practice. It would help very much to see an 'after' image of that tree, if you could?

 

The conceptual connection between "Wow look at that defect" ergo "Cut most of it off (ruin it) so it doesn't fail in my lifetime and makes habitat" seems to short-circuit the assessment process. When the VTA going gets tough, the tree and the owner need the arborist to step back, take a breath, and

 

Look at the tree as segments = see what's holding it up, and

 

Carefully consider how it might fail, and what to do about it.

 

The assessor MUST take the time and concentration on these steps. When s/he looks for ways around this challenging process, that's when opinions like "occasionally the reality is fell and replace is the wiser option" start getting bandied about, as if we are wiser than the owner about their budget, their values and those of the surrounding community (human and ecological), etc. etc. We are there to present ALL reasonable options, not to make up their minds for them by imposing our views of 'reality' and our alleged 'wisdom'.

 

David, in response to your question, would your recent vid of the oak in the field getting coronetted be considered a light ruin or a hard prune? The size of the cuts (20 cm?)and amount of green lost seemed to guarantee the spread of heart rot, which is all good if saproxylic habitat is the primary goal.

Maybe the difference is that Ruining takes away natural structure and viable defenses that the tree can Retrench back to, while Pruning preserves the growth habit, structure, and the tree's ability to manage the associates.

 

As for the OP beech, it's way overdue for a structural pruning all around, as evidenced by the failure. The limb now in question has a bad fork that would NOT benefit from extra movement, so dynamic cable would NOT be the choice. 3/16" steel would work, but let's step back and take a breath and suss out the entire tree before presuming to judge what fate is best for it.

 

It was supposed to read lightly thinned not ruined a predictive text error and me not checking.

 

Alas I am not as gifted in being able to eloquently put forward my points, but I think you covered it well. I am not pushing fell and replant it's just the option was not a consideration in the original post and I felt it should be.

 

The tree I posted has several steel static braces, and a prop some of which have been in place for 20 plus years, it is worth noting that these static braces have caused other issues now.

[PC Treescapes]

Sorry to jump on this thread, but I have just been asked to look at this tree that dropped a large limb two days ago, it has failed due to included bark union and a lot of lateral weight, and taken nearly 50% of the main stem with it, leaving one very large vertical leader, and one of to the left (currently unaffected by tear) it is tpo but was going to recommend removal as a sensible reduction would not remove much weight or all affect, and it is over a garden in a new estate with big children's play area, reading this thread do people think I am being too hasty, I just feel although it's not too bad at the minute, root will now set in

[PC Treescapes]

Sorry all was meant to be ' sail ' and root was meant to be 'rot'