both ends of your rope

[Andy Collins]

but surely andy your rope should be out of the way of the drop zone before your cutting?

 

Of course it SHOuLD be, but less experienced climbers tend to forget to watch for these points in the heat of the job.

[Sciadopitys]

Climbing with both ends of the rope is slower, more weight to carry around a tree, more knots and prussik loops in directly in front of you, and if ur working in a tree using both ends you need a much longer rope to ensure u always have a line to the floors for tools and stuff to be sent up and down!

 

I agree that both ends can be useful now and again, but have not used the other end for a couple of years! VT and hitch climber, and lanyard all the way mate!

[Johny Walker]

in the very old days we called it dead mans loop, a storey told by my late father. climber shifting anchor point free climbing his mate on the floor saw the loop thouhgt the rope was snagged so pulled it down climber & all.

[Mick Stockbridge]

I'll give it twenty years and whoever amongst us is still climbing at the time will be saying " Stick your new fandangled ways, I,ll stick to my lanyard n vt etc.".................... I dont know any other form of climbing other than two ends and I'm not gonna bother learning either.

[Treeworld]

I use both ends to reach top anchor point then drop remaining rope to ground and work round the tree with one end split tail and a 4m lanyard. I am thinking of changing this method to using just one end and also have a small 15m rope to use as well round the crown.

[Treeworld]

Of course it SHOuLD be, but less experienced climbers tend to forget to watch for these points in the heat of the job.

 

If a less experienced climber is in the tree then an experienced one should be on the ground to advise of any problems they can pick up from the ground and pass on their knowledge to the rookie. If this is not happening then he shouldn't be up the tree.

[Rod]

If a less experienced climber is in the tree then an experienced one should be on the ground to advise of any problems they can pick up from the ground and pass on their knowledge to the rookie. If this is not happening then he shouldn't be up the tree.

 

well said:congrats::congrats:

[Andy Clark]

So when all's said and done, it basically comes down to personal preference.

 

There are many arguments both for AND against both techniques...... yes, the "dead mans loop" IS dangerous, so you learn to climb and position both yourself AND your rope so that both are in no danger.

And if you're getting SOOOOOOOOOOO caught up in the "heat of the climb" that you miss such things like that, then you seriously need to reflect on the fact that you get THAT worked up when climbing, and consider what other things you may be missing. (Unaware pedestrian etc!)

 

Yes, VT's and hitchclimbers etc are quick... possibly quicker..... but when you consider that your 2nd end is theoretically an unlimited length strop, every re-tie in during an accent, gains you more height.........

 

 

1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end... etc

 

as opposed to

 

1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end...etc

 

 

Another valid point to consider, is that yes, it may be more weight of rope to carry around and yes, you may need a longer rope in bigger trees..... but 9 times outta 10, this is offset by having less length to pull up the tree during a re-route, as the rope is of course doubled, therefore half as long and twice as quick to pull up.

[Rod]

 

 

1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end... etc

 

as opposed to

 

1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end...etc

 

 

not if you use a long strop and go up a branch each time then you gain height each time

[Rob Murf]

 

 

1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end ascend - 2nd end ascend - 1st end... etc

 

as opposed to

 

1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end ascend - strop on - 1 end...etc

 

 

not if you use a long strop and go up a branch each time then you gain height each time

 

OR

 

Throwline in to a nice high point( preferably one you can work a fair portion of the tree from) and ascend up and strop on.

 

Taking the time to get good at throwlining can be a long tangle road but worth it in the end,

 

I havent seen anyone use the double prussick system for years and would think through and shuffle other options before pulling it out off the tool box!

But it is in there.....some where...i think.