RHI registered producers and suppliers

[woodworm]

Not 100% sure but I think the only way you can burn recycled waste wood (grade 1 & 2) and comply with rhi is if it has been torrefied. Hoping this will be a possibility within 12 months.

[County 764]

Just noticed this thread and some interesting stuff.

 

What I don't get is why timber would have been sourced from a certified woodland??

 

In the UK you must have an approved forest plan in place or a felling licence by law which stipulates how your going to replant the felled area or if its being managed under a Continuous Cover system. All the FSC Certified woodlands I've been involved with are managed in exactly the same way as non certified.

I think we should have a system where once a forest plan is approved then the woodlands are Certified as they meet the criteria.

That would probably make life easier for growers and processors

[renewablejohn]

For those not familiar with what the government are doing.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/304388/Biomass_Sustainability_Requirements_-_Info_Sheet.pdf

[muldonach]

Just noticed this thread and some interesting stuff.

 

What I don't get is why timber would have been sourced from a certified woodland??

 

In the UK you must have an approved forest plan in place or a felling licence by law which stipulates how your going to replant the felled area or if its being managed under a Continuous Cover system. All the FSC Certified woodlands I've been involved with are managed in exactly the same way as non certified.

I think we should have a system where once a forest plan is approved then the woodlands are Certified as they meet the criteria.

That would probably make life easier for growers and processors

 

 

What an absolutely ridiculous idea! How could you possibly assume that timeber sourced in the UK has been felled under the existing planning laws and thus already confirmed as meeting sustainability criteria and compliance with UK Forestry Standards:confused1::confused1:

 

Logic like this will not get you far - don't you see the clear opportunity to employ another army of assessors / auditors / compliance officers or whatever else you want to call the people that will adminster this scheme:biggrin:

 

As for making life easier for growers and processors - do you not realise that these people are in danger of showing a profit for honest toil and there is no way the government can stand back and let that happen:001_huh:

 

Cheers

mac

 

Far too sensible an idea to be taken seriously mores the pity. At £85 a ton it will not be long at all before shiploads of "certified biomass produced from sustainably managed forests" starts arriving from the Far East, Eastern Europe and South America

Edited May 7, 2014 by muldonach

[County 764]

What an absolutely ridiculous idea! How could you possibly assume that timeber sourced in the UK has been felled under the existing planning laws and thus already confirmed as meeting sustainability criteria and compliance with UK Forestry Standards:confused1::confused1:

 

Logic like this will not get you far - don't you see the clear opportunity to employ another army of assessors / auditors / compliance officers or whatever else you want to call the people that will adminster this scheme:biggrin:

 

As for making life easier for growers and processors - do you not realise that these people are in danger of showing a profit for honest toil and there is no way the government can stand back and let that happen:001_huh:

 

Cheers

mac

 

Far too sensible an idea to be taken seriously mores the pity. At £85 a ton it will not be long at all before shiploads of "certified biomass produced from sustainably managed forests" starts arriving from the Far East, Eastern Europe and South America

 

What do you have to be confused about? Have you ever submitted a Forest Plan? and If you've put timber into mills or on the open market you'll know that you'll get asked for a Licence reference number or FP ref that's How could you possibly assume that timber sourced in the UK has been felled under the existing planning laws and thus already confirmed as meeting sustainability criteria and compliance with UK Forestry.

 

We have been under one of the group FSC schemes but not currently as price benefit per tonne in timber sales soon diminished. Oh ye and there's a fee to be certified so as a grower ye danger of showing a profit was low

[County 764]

Ok so after a bit of trolling if your under an approved forest plan as a producer then you can supply to a trader registered on the Biomass Suppliers List?

 

http://www.biomassenergycentre.org.uk/pls/portal/docs/PAGE/PRACTICAL/REF_LIB_PRAC/GRANTS%20AND%20SUPPORT/RENEWABLE%20HEAT%20INCENTIVE/NEW%20DOMESTIC%20RHI%20BIOMASS%20SUSTAINABILITY%20REQUIREMENTS%20INFO%20SHEET.PDF

 

Definition of Legal and Sustainable for Timber

 

http://www.cpet.org.uk/files/2013%2005%2008%20-%20CPET%20Deft%20Legal%20-%20Sustainable%205th%20ed%20-%20Final.pdf/at_download/file

[muldonach]

What do you have to be confused about? Have you ever submitted a Forest Plan? and If you've put timber into mills or on the open market you'll know that you'll get asked for a Licence reference number or FP ref that's How could you possibly assume that timber sourced in the UK has been felled under the existing planning laws and thus already confirmed as meeting sustainability criteria and compliance with UK Forestry.

 

We have been under one of the group FSC schemes but not currently as price benefit per tonne in timber sales soon diminished. Oh ye and there's a fee to be certified so as a grower ye danger of showing a profit was low

 

County - lighten up mate - my post was written with tongue firmly in cheekand was intended to convey my utter agreement with your point. Our thoughts on this matter are completely aligned but it is as ever unlikely that common sense will prevail

 

I have indeed prepared and submitted a Forest Plan and we have two separate felling licences valid at this moment in time.

 

For the life of me I cannot see why we need any more beaurocracy or certification for firewood produced in the UK - but unfortunately I think we will get it.

 

I am sorry my attempt at humour was apparently lost on you

 

Cheers

mac

[Lucan]

On a commercial basis it is possible to sell non-Certified wood in large volume. Thousands of tonnes of non-cert softwood is shipped off to Europe every month from the east coast of Scotland.

 

There is generally a price difference in whether this wood is certified or not. It tends to be around £2/3, you'd have to do you're own CBA, remembering it will also open up more markets.

 

I don't think the whole £85 a tonne of hardwood is really relevant for RHI, depending on you're location you should be able to get FSC green softwood logs for little over £30 a tonne.

[farmer rod]

From reading through some (not all) of this latest flurry of info, it seems that waste wood may not attract a land use change GHC emission.(if my understanding is correct)

 

Could it be possible that a load of salvaged winblown lodgepole could be a waste product from the reclamation, and therefore not need a sustainably sourced ticket?

 

(Ive only registered as a self supplier, so I havent seen the producer/trader side of things)

[saintsman54]

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