All the trees are blowing down.... But?

[Sussex Groundie]

Will def have to look out a course I think, try and do something topical every year, nice to meet other people and the instructors, you pick up a lot of other info as well.

[AlexB]

Where was the course

 

Mine was with Dave Meredith above Thirlemere.

[Rich2484]

In my world the 17t 360 with rotator grab will soon sort out what a ticket is needed for....

[difflock]

What can training teach, that observation combined with uncommon sense and some modicum of intellect cannot?

Absolutly seriously.

I keep asking the various "trainers" I meet.

What %age of your applicants do you fail?

The answer is invariably depressing.

We are not all cut out to be rocket scientists, brain surgeons, F1drivers, and work ones way down the skill sets.

"Training" is no panacea, or more bluntly.

"one cannot make a Silk purse out of a Sows ear"

Without any formal training I would have no hesitation in clearing windthrown trees, slowly and methodically, or have the sense not to, if a big digger was a safer better answer.

It is all about the appliance of simple mechanics.

regards,

Marcus

edit;

slow in typing, like the comment about the 17t 360= a big digger!

[JimM]

I'm not sure cs50 covers enough. 34/35 was probably the best course for safety in dealing with multiple thrown trees. And it makes sense to have 32 first.

[AlexB]

Rich and Diff, I think you've missed my point, I've seen ticketed operators do some silly stuff. But this isn't about wether ones ability is reliant on a ticket but if "clients" such as councils etc realise there is a legal need for and ask for these tickets when dealing with blown trees?

[JimM]

Without any formal training I would have no hesitation in clearing windthrown trees, slowly and methodically, or have the sense not to, if a big digger was a safer better answer.

 

360 gets my vote.

But in response to the rest of what you said, there was discussion last year about windthrow, and to me it highlighted how few actually knew how to safely go about it. I have no doubt the old and bold will approach slowly, plan and then act. But multiple windthrow takes no prisoners. Who would be willing to risk some youngsters life in amongst it?

[AlexB]

I get what you're saying about the machine. Though how many people have access to that machine with a rotator grab and a qualified operator who knows how to use it in this situation. Also, the man on the saw would still need the ticket....

[Rich2484]

So let them get on with it. I'm sure when it all goes wrong they will see the bad side of HSE, and the law suit that will follow.

 

If the councils don't ask to see the right tickets then they will also see the dark side, and will a council office bod even know what tickets they should even have???

[Logrod]

What can training teach, that observation combined with uncommon sense and some modicum of intellect cannot?

Absolutly seriously.

I keep asking the various "trainers" I meet.

What %age of your applicants do you fail?

The answer is invariably depressing.

We are not all cut out to be rocket scientists, brain surgeons, F1drivers, and work ones way down the skill sets.

"Training" is no panacea, or more bluntly.

"one cannot make a Silk purse out of a Sows ear"

Without any formal training I would have no hesitation in clearing windthrown trees, slowly and methodically, or have the sense not to, if a big digger was a safer better answer.

It is all about the appliance of simple mechanics.

regards,

Marcus

edit;

slow in typing, like the comment about the 17t 360= a big digger!

 

I have to say I totally agree. I don't work in Arb but I work across a lot of other industries and I see people confusing certificates and course attendance for ability and the right behaviour. Part of the problem is HR and Health and Safety reqs - it's easy to measure / prove that someone attended a course / has a certificate even if it means nothing in the workplace. I've seen lots of people with the ability and correct attitude but no certificates and vice versa but we've become hung up on trying to make everything academical.

 

(and I say this as someone with a degree (but no chainsaw certs!))