3.5 tonne trying to do the right thing...

[Treegeek]

Was talking to a cpc training provider he was saying that be for long if your "work" involves driving then it will be veiwed that there is an element of it being part of your profession there for you will require cpc and on newer vehicles tacho regardless of towing or not.

He did say that his was what he can foresee based on is insight in the industry.

[GTS]

Hi yes if the total weight of everything (vehicle kit Trailer chip and logs) goes over 3500kg then I understood the rules to say that a tacho is then required. Is that right?

[treequip]

Hi yes if the total weight of everything (vehicle kit Trailer chip and logs) goes over 3500kg then I understood the rules to say that a tacho is then required. Is that right?

 

I have just re read your original post and its way too confused for me to offer any meaningful advice.

 

This one is also confused, forget kit logs chip, they are all payload. You cant exceed the MAM. The only thing to worry about is MAM

[BigNick]

yes i think it is but i am just doing my cpc its costing £78 inc vat per day corse and you need 5 of them but after that its just one a year so not so bad and then you have no prob with any one just put your tacho in and away you go

[dig-dug-dan]

You are NOT usually operating for Hire or Reward when you carry goods you own or goods you have used or will use in the course of your business.*

 

 

In each of the following examples a Van below 3,500 kgs (3.5t) and a small trailer is used to transport a mini-digger from a depot to a work site. The gross plated weights of vehicle and trailer when combined exceed 3.5t.*

 

These examples cover most circumstances; however there are more than these simple examples so if you are in any doubt please contact VOSA Enquiries.

 

*- The digger is owned by you, the user of the vehicle. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operator’s licence.

 

*- The digger is rented by you, the user of the vehicle. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operator’s licence.

 

*- The digger is rented by you, the owner of the digger is the user of the vehicle (they deliver to site for you to use). You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on the "own account" of the digger renting company and they do not need an operator’s licence.

 

*- The digger is owned by the building company, you collect it from building company’s depot and bring to site. You use the digger on the site. This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operator’s licence.

 

*- The digger is owned by the building company, having used the digger you take it from one site to another site (where the digger is stored). This transport is done on your own account and you do not need an operator’s licence.

 

*- The digger is not owned by you, you collect it from a depot and deposit it at a site where another company uses it. If you are rewarded for this work in any way (payment or in kind) this is hire or reward, you have not under taken this work on your own account, you have made a pure freight journey – and you will therefore need an operator’s licence.

 

-------------- have ordered a new crew cab cabstar and this one I am NOT having a tacho fitted. If your train weight is over 3500kg, and is your own tools and equipment, not for hire or reward, then the tacho is not needed.

I had one fitted in my current truck. Its supposed to be calibrated every 6 months, but I have yet to find someone who can do it, or even show me how to use it properly.

I make sure that if I am hiring a crusher to someone, I put it on the back of the truck ratner than tow it, so that gets me oit of the "hire or reward" situation.

 

examples below taken from the gov website

[dig-dug-dan]

Apologies. The last paragraph should be at the top, but my tablet wont let me edit it

[openspaceman]

No prob with Tacho 4.5 hrs driving befor 45 min brake so you wont have a prob with driving hrs and just get a cpc to cover you and all is well

 

 

Do you need CPC if just carrying tools to and arisings from work? It's the arisings that become questionable as to whether they are goods.

Edited January 26, 2014 by openspaceman

[JLA Arborists]

Do you need CPC if just carrying tools to and arisings from work? It's the arisings that become questionable as to whether they are goods.

 

I'm willing to be corrected but

If your taking tools etc to and from your yards or your own use, no. As its not for reward

If your arisings are logs which you deliver for reward, yes.

[treequip]

I'm willing to be corrected but

If your taking tools etc to and from your yards or your own use, no. As its not for reward

If your arisings are logs which you deliver for reward, yes.

 

Nope, you are getting "O" licence and driver CPC mixed up.

 

The vehicle is used in connection with your business which is run for hire or reward. The other option is private HGV which cannot be used for anything commercial.

 

You need a driver CPC if you drive vehicles exceeding 3500kg as your main occupation.

 

As a tree surgeon your main occupation is cutting trees

[treequip]

Do you need CPC if just carrying tools to and arisings from work? It's the arisings that become questionable as to whether they are goods.

 

CPC has nothing to do with what's in the truck. If your main occupation is driving you need a driver CPC. If driving is incidental to your work you don't need one,,,,,,,,yet