Another srt help thread.

[Danavan]

I have to admit that the rw got me into srt as a access & work position device after dabbling with other systems that I had the chance of trying due to the variety of climbers I work with. But toothed ascender systems for me are now my prefered method of access & if you already have the kit as nz paul describes then utilise it in an efficient method.

I still use the rw as an access device that gives me work position if the job requires that method. Other wise I will go from srt access set up (as sort of shown in earlier pic, but now tweaked) to drt with maybe a rw to hand for change over as & when I think it will help with work positioning over drt.

I digress, apologies...

[Marc]

Yes of course. He was concerned about spending money on gear. The more toys the better right? But you don't need money to srt. It can be done with the same gear for ddrt. One rope one hitch a couple a biners. A pantin if you can't footlock. I love my petzl ascent tree but I never clipinto it. I use ascender as rope grabs. They kind of sketch me out.

 

Well he pretty much has everything bar a croll, and I like to ascend an access line with my work line on me, keeping the access system independent, this obviously require a little more expenditure.

 

Those YouTube links you posted and the other info in this thread are all important and show srt access doesn't need lots of shiny new stuff to be effcient and effective.

 

And your right about toothed grabs, personally I only like using them on appropriate lines, they are designed to strip the outer at low forces which then bunches up absorbing a fall leaving you on the core. If a rope has a tough outer it could cause the ascendor to fail, hence not great life support, as long as we are aware of this we can utilise our kit safely.

[kevin bingham]

A lot depends how high you are ascending regularly as well.

[paddyvero]

I think if your croll and ascender are linked to your main ring its fine without a hitch.

 

I was meaning in the picture posted there is no back up to the upper ascender, unless you count that tiny cord, tied directly to it, so you are relying completly on the croll, not good practice in my oppinion, as mentioned, toothed ascenders are hard on the rope, especially in a fall.

[paddyvero]

what if you base tie? i think its easier to clip your pre tied system straight onto your harness and simply install your c saver then put rope through and hey presto working system. hanging on your lanyard fiddling round , uniting knots and potentially dropping the rope doesn't sound very economical to me. you can just leave all the gear on the line or send it down the rope to your groundie

 

I very rarely base tie, but when I do, admittedly there is alot of rope to pull back through the hitch. I dont have a seperate access line, so the system you describe wouldnt work for me. Once at the top, lanyard in, untie the choker knot of preference and clip the splice onto the hitchclimber, usually have to prgess a couple of crotches Ddrt anyway to get my final TIP. Impossible to drop the rope as it is never uncliped for my bridge! I find this simple, effective, and as the thread is based on getting started, economical on gear.