maggie thatcher

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I would hardly call a country armed with some of the deadliest non-nuclear weapons an easy enemy especially when fighting in their backyard.

[Rich2484]

They managed to give some of our ships a good kicking.

 

We had to "secretly" try and buy every Exeter missile we could to try and stop the attacks on ships.

 

Hardly an easy enemy.....

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I also come from a mining family and my great-uncle said that the unions were their own worst enemy and would one day kill the coal industry. He died in 83 before the year long miners strike.

[arbogrunt]

'She couldn't wait to go and destroy an easy enemy with all the chest-puffing empire talk that politicians rely on.'

 

hmmm, your not from a military family are you?...find a veteran of the Falklands war and have a chat about the 'easy enemy'

 

Opinions are opinions, just be grateful you are still able to voice your dubious ones....

[TimberCutterDartmoor]

I also come from a mining family and my great-uncle said that the unions were their own worst enemy and would one day kill the coal industry. He died in 83 before the year long miners strike.

 

Bloody Unions; no concept of the common good whatsoever.

 

'She couldn't wait to go and destroy an easy enemy with all the chest-puffing empire talk that politicians rely on.'

 

hmmm, your not from a military family are you?...find a veteran of the Falklands war and have a chat about the 'easy enemy'

 

Opinions are opinions, just be grateful you are still able to voice your dubious ones....

 

I work with a Falklands Vet every day. Nothing but praise for MT.

[WorcsWuss]

Al Pacino played Scargill brilliantly. Maybe we'll get another brit blockbuster.

 

 

3x01 The Strike 02 20 1988 3 - YouTube

 

Comic Strip, they don't make 'em like that anymore, more's the pity

 

Ref the Falklands, I'm not military, but much of my family were, generally Navy and RAF, and one of my previous bosses was a Falklands submariner. I am yet to meet a veteran or serving soldier or officer who doesn't 'want to go to war', so to speak.

They all tell me that it's what they joined up for. Peace time military service is square bashing, training and cleaning, and no opportunity to put everything they have worked so hard to learn into practice.

One wouldn't train as a barrister and then not want to go to court.

War is horrid, but fortunately we have brave personnel who will put their lives at risk for the freedom of their fellow countrymen and face up to the diplomatic failings of world leaders.

I am not a big enough person to give up my freedom to the military, and I find it disrespectful when people dismiss the achievements and sacrifices made by our military personnel as 'a waste'. I doubt they would see it as such so anyone who feels pity for men like Simon Weston should stop being so pious and feel pride and gratitude instead.

But whatever.

[Shane]

'She couldn't wait to go and destroy an easy enemy with all the chest-puffing empire talk that politicians rely on.'

 

hmmm, your not from a military family are you?...find a veteran of the Falklands war and have a chat about the 'easy enemy'

 

Opinions are opinions, just be grateful you are still able to voice your dubious ones....

 

What was likely to happen to prevent me from voicing my opinions? and what makes them dubious?

NO I'm not from a military family - so what!

Only 4 of the last 5 generations have been to war (not me).

I'm still entitled to offer my opinion on the woman who sent these brave people to their deaths - as much for political gain as for the Falklanders.

 

Now Mrs T has passed away we will never know the real balance behind the reasoning - we can only form opinions - these happen to be mine.

I agree the Argies had some sophisticated weapons and a lot of our guys were lost or maimed. That's partly my point - it was the military bods who suffered, Margaret Thatcher just made a massive political advantage out of it.

 

Watch Black Adder IV to make the point better than I can.

I've nothing but admiration for those who fight - it just turns me over that it was done to gain political advantage for the Tories.

 

Always was and always will be- Maybe not word for word but something like

'You lucky lads going over the top tomorrow - shame I can't be with you - still I'll be right behind you' quote General Melchett

'About 20 miles behind us' - quote Edmund Blackadder.

[WorcsWuss]

Always was and always will be- Maybe not word for word but something like

'You lucky lads going over the top tomorrow - shame I can't be with you - still I'll be right behind you' quote General Melchett

'About 20 miles behind us' - quote Edmund Blackadder.

 

This was on the other night, I recorded it to show to my kids, one of the finest pieces of television ever made

 

Everyone does the job they want to do. Some lead, some follow, some fight, some fight to stop people fighting. There are lots of things I disagree with but we have to remind ourselves that we are free to do things others disagree with as well. If anyone thinks our leaders are doing it wrong, it's a democracy, door's open if we're prepared to put the effort in to get into a position to make a difference.

Mrs Thatcher was a shining example of what can be personally achieved in this country with hard work, even back when women were not thought of as they are now, someone could work up from the bottom.

No one can knock her for that.

[adbat234]

Tonight I shall go and have a drink for Margaret Thatcher's death. I shall raise my glass to the night sky, and THANK HER, and celebrate her life. People on this seem to have a very strange view of history. So here are a few little nuggets with how and more specifically WHY a lot of industries were destroyed by her, and what's more, ...destroyed with the MANDATE OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE. The seventies were blighted by the trade unions waiting for winter and then coming out on strike at it's heart. Holding the country to ransom for ANNUAL pay rises of up to 36% ABOVE inflation. This was the likes of Scargill and co. And they bled us dry. We were bankrupted by them. And then the Winter of Discontent happened. And they ALL came out. Miners, power workers, transport workers; even funeral directors, everything tied into the TGWU came out. My own grandparents lay on a slab for 2 months waiting to be buried. The entire country was a ruin. Rubbish not collected for months, rats everywhere. And the unions laughed, and brought down Callaghan's Labour Government. And Thatcher stood up at the General Election and made ONE SIMPLE PROMISE. Elect me. And THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN. ELECT ME AND I WILL DESTROY THEM. She won a landslide. On that promise.And she became the last elected Prime Minister to actually hold true to her election promise. She did exactly what she said. She utterly destroyed the unions. Obliterated them. The cost was those industries. We knew that would be the price. But we would not allow them to hold us to ransom again. What she did, she did with our BLESSING. The socialists and people who backed those strikes have only themselves to blame for what happened. Baroness Thatcher didn't destroy those industries and communities for fun or as part of a class war. She did it to stop them holding the country to ransom again. And then she held the purse strings tight and re-built the economy and the country and Britain again stood tall and thrived. And we won back the global respect we had lost while the left wing ruled. In the Falklands we were thankful for her being in office. Those of us who went 'south' in '82 did so knowing we had a leader who would not - and did not- interfere. She sent the military and allowed us to do our job. Gave us the money, the equipment and most of all THE FREEDOM to get the job done. Our lands had been invaded. We had a gun up our nose. SHE led us. Frankly Thatcher took a very broken Britain by the hand like a strict old fashioned Matron and LED THE COUNTRY BACK TO WHERE IT HAD ONCE BEEN. We were the worlds 3rd major power in ALL respects. And as for the world, it has NEVER been safer than when Thatcher was in Downing Street, Reagan was in the White House and Gorbachev was in the Kremlin as the three spoke DAILY. They laid the ground for the fall of the Berlin Wall. The Russians were TERRIFIED of her. And the world again feared Britain. And lets not forget that she gave people the full right to buy their own council property. Her vision was that the TENNANT and the tennant alone could buy that property.As soon as her party stabbed her in the back the feeding frenzy began as under her the famous Tory grandee greed was held in check. So they stabbed her, led by the europro traitor ponce Heseltine - who didn't have the guts to face her openly and alone - they arranged her removal. And we have been a broken patsy for europe ever since. So yes, tonight I will celebrate the death of Baroness Thatcher, with thanks, with respect, and with sadness, because she allowed me to know what we could be, what we could achieve, what it meant to be BRITISH

Not written by me but says a lot i think!

Edited April 9, 2013 by adbat234
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[Andy Collins]

:congrats:

I remember us paying a fortune for coal to keep the fire in, I recall the rubbish piling up in the streets, the TV going off suddenly, due to strikes, I recall all the misery that the unions gave this country. Not Maggie, as said Labour was in power at that time. Maggie did come into power and she did sort this country out from the dire mess it was in. Under Maggies power, we had 1 in 10 unemployed...to begin with, but I think I was unemployed for a matter of days in all that time. Those who wanted work could find it, due to her re-building Britiain there was no shortage of work on sites. I could finish a job Friday night, and have a job lined up for Monday morning with no trouble. IME only those who did not want to work did not work. Pretty much the same thirty years on.