a nice cut for hung trees

[scotspine1]

come on everyone......!!

 

who is going to spit out how to rotate it!

 

tuttle, I mentioned how it's done in my first post in this thread.

[Steve Bullman]

haha, fair enough it is a tad iffy but....

 

Sometimes I do think that techniques which are frowned upon, although used daily by most of us could be taught in a "safest method of unsafe methods" kinda thing, might save a lot of injuries...... or might do the opposite

 

Seriously...how can you teach a method like this in the 'safest method possible', when the closing line is always going to be 'Make sure you have a clear escape route and get ready to run like hell if it goes wrong'.

 

These are on the job techniques which should be learnt or taught to guys when they are good and ready (if at all)

[tuttle]

tuttle, I mentioned how it's done in my first post in this thread.

 

sorry boss, missed that one:blushing:

[tuttle]

far safer ways of getting that tree down ie - rolling the hung up tree out using parbuckling type rope wraps, some small break cuts at the base of the tree, a well placed re-direct and a big winch or using heavy machinery to pull the tree out at the base directly away from the other propping tree (not a skid loader unless it's a small tree).

 

'a nice cut for hung trees' - it isn't even a 'cut' as such, it's more like the treework equivalent of russian roulette where a guy takes a stab in the dark as to how the tension and compression is laid down in the tree all the while standing almost directly underneath the entire weight of the stem.

 

if you value your legs and feet avoid this technique like the plague. Check out the action at 2.30, he didn't have a clue when that stem was gonna go. Most hung up tree (especially large open grown decidous trees) situations are very unpredictable which is why your default setting when tackling them should be to try and keep yourself out of the danger zone not actively step into it.

 

Well it's done now isn't it......and as we know Dan has done this 100s of times before, but if your gonna use this method why not trigger the explosive release with a winch or some kind of pull line keeping you well out the way of danger, or if you were that desperate to use a saw then use a long pole chainsaw to trigger the final release. Also, the second cut could've been notched at the top to allow for a slower more controlled break . Another point to consider is the danger can be species specific, Ash is notorious for barber chairing.

 

 

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[Dan Curtis]

I wouldnt particularly describe this as advanced techniques treemeup. Its no different to what experienced cutters have been doing for years. The whole point is, it just isnt the safest method. To be honest if I had to categorize it, i'd say its a lazy mans technique. Its far quicker to bosh a tree down in this manner than to go to the effort(and expense sometimes) of doing it the safe way. And despite what Daniel claims, its impossible to judge where the tension is or exactly what a tree of this size will do when its cut, anyone who believes this is well...just plain gullible.

In my pool playing years, this technique is probably what I would have referred to as a 'hit and hope'.

 

In closing...its fun, gets the adrenalin pumping, and i've done it heaps, so im not criticizing Daniel for doing it, merely stating what I see as a more accurate assessment(in my opinion)of the danger involved.

 

Yours Lazily

 

Well put

[combined tree services]

on the video (imo) its seems that everything is done 100% chance element, saw, body position and over-reach is all very much a high risk/death factor.

 

so this industry is about control....right? if you don't agree and its an adrenaline sport....fair game.

 

 

But if want to use 100% control and 100% safety, then these techniques should not be attempted.

 

you roll a hung up tree...Thats no.1 Priority, to rotate it away from the hung point.

 

then do that again, if it fails to free use a winch to pull it back from the base.

 

I have 'hung up' over 20 4>8ton trees on purpose, to use these techniques (i'm sure some have done more!) and this method is fail safe and you have complete control.

 

It wouldn't be so bad if the tree was hung up , from what i could see it was a windblown tree that using simple methods for dealing with a windblown tree would have eliminated all of the fuss and given a far greater level of accuracy and predictability .

 

It was once thought that the "spear cut" could be brought in as a common and approved cut for utility cutters but it was felt that if taught to novices it could prove to be fatal . as an industry we all search for a better and easier way to do things and improve efficiency but it also a calculation needs to be made to work out the added risk .

[Robert_S]

Fell the one it's hung up on, jobs a good un

[scotspine1]

Fell the one it's hung up on, jobs a good un

 

Rab, this is probably the best example of that you'll see on youtube, although I think S. Bullman has one up somewhere also.

 

Quality felling.

 

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H55V6VFx-k0]Tall Spruce Felled with Hung-Up Fir - YouTube[/ame]

[silky fox]

Skills!:cool:

[silky fox]

He has made calculated cuts and with the anticipated "crack", he legs it down the safety zone:eek: