Not the right knot

[Backpain]

Day to day I use a short rope which is the remains of my old long rope which has the spliced eye cut off. It needs a knot tying in it obviously so I use a bowline and I've always been in the habit of putting a yosemite tie off. Yesterday it slipped back through and I very nearly clipped into it. The mess wouldn't have been a problem, the chicken's would have cleaned me up!

 

So, my question is - is it better to just tie a bowline (without a tie off) or what other knots do people use on their main line......

[Steve Bullman]

i've never personally bothered with a tie off.....always seems to confuse matters for me. I would just make sure the tail is long enough and tie a fig 8 in it, make sure the knots set and dressed ok. I've always heard talk of bowlines being able to come undone. I just dont see this as feasible and have personally always put it down to either the type of rope used, or operator error tying into the wrong loop. Stiffer rope such as mountaineering rope for example doesnt tie so well.

[born2trot]

There's grounds for debate in suggesting its not actually an endline knot as in a buntline or an anchor knot . Chance it could slip and load krabs incorrectly .

[mistahbenn]

I use a single fishermans.

[Sirnick2]

Figure 8 definitely

[Pete Mctree]

I would use a fishermans or similar cinching knot over a bowline or fig 8. Helps keep the krab orientated correctly, reducing the chance of side loading & is just tidier.

[Andy Collins]

Personally, I've never had a proper bowline slip undone in any situation. Was it tied correctly, and did you clip into the right part of it? Buntline and anchor hitches are good end line knots, but loaded they can get very tight and hard to undo, and as Pete says they do hold the crab in the right position.

[WorcsWuss]

I always use a bowline, I find it quicker to tie than a Fisherman's [and untie to get back through a FS if I'm changing over in the tree, rather than pulling up the whole tail from below the hitch] and I leave a nice long loop to clip into so the knot itself is above my friction hitch. Fig 8 in the tail, job done.

I tried buntlines & anchor hitches and found them a bit 'permanent' for doubled rope with a friction management device at the top if moving the anchor....

[Wolfie]

Personally, I've never had a proper bowline slip undone in any situation. Was it tied correctly, and did you clip into the right part of it? Buntline and anchor hitches are good end line knots, but loaded they can get very tight and hard to undo, and as Pete says they do hold the crab in the right position.

 

Yes, it sounds like he was about to clip into the loop that the slipped tie-off made.

 

I use a double bowline - thats just with a double loop at the start of the knot instead of one.

An instructor at college said that with a double BL I wouldn't need to tie a stopper knot. I still do tho.

[MOG]

Fishermans all day long, better and safer

 

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