Is this true?

[MATTMOSS]

I have just been looking at this listing on ebay, it states that this land rover is clased as an agricultural vehicle so it can be run on red diesel and is tax exempt and dosnt need an MOT! This cant be right can it??? surely all arb guys would have them??

 

Land Rover Defender 130 Tipper - 300Tdi - Tree Surgeon - Arborist | eBay

 

[TRADITIONAL LOGGERS]

If used for Agricultural and Forestry purposes then can be as it's intended use. NOT for tree surgery on private land!!

 

Land Rover were original designed with PTO and Linkage to plow fields.

[Andy Collins]

He does cover himself that it is AgReg due the type of contracts he was doing, and that it is up to the buyer to read the relevant regulations to make sure the buyer complies with those regs.

I don't know how true it is, but I understand through the grapevine that there are going to be some changes to the AgReg scheme, and that the current loopholes are going to be changed, not sure where when or how though.

[MATTMOSS]

If used for Agricultural and Forestry purposes then can be as it's intended use. NOT for tree surgery on private land!!

 

Land Rover were original designed with PTO and Linkage to plow fields.

 

Do you mean not for tree surgery on public land?

The listing gives the impression that this can be used on the roads to do arb work with no tax or mot and run on red??

[predator]

Do you mean not for tree surgery on public land?

The listing gives the impression that this can be used on the roads to do arb work with no tax or mot and run on red??

 

its so you can access your own land along or over a public highways same as a tractor restricted milage though i think!! but as usual always wrong lol well my 18 year old daughter thinks i,am wrong all the time

[Andy Collins]

I know this has been covered elsewhere on the forum, but it does no harm to re-iterate it:

 

There are a number of legal issues which arise when agricultural vehicles are used and this article looks at the main ones.

 

Driving licences

 

A licence is required to drive most agricultural vehicles on the road. Certain large vehicles can be driven in certain circumstances where the licence holder only holds a category B driving licence (the normal category of driving licence). The common categories for agricultural vehicles are as follows:

 

Tractors

 

A category F driving licence is required to drive an agricultural tractor.

 

A person must normally be at least 17 years old before they can hold a category F driving licence. A person of the age of 16 can drive a tractor less than 2.45 metres wide and can do so pulling a trailer as long as the trailer is also less than 2.45 metres wide and has 2 wheels or 4 close-coupled wheels.

 

Medium sized vehicles

 

A category C1 driving licence is required to drive a vehicle of between 3,500 kilograms and 7,500 kilograms.

 

Where a trailer is used under category C1 the trailer must not exceed 750 kilograms in weight. If it exceeds that weight but the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer weigh no more than 12,000 kilograms a category C1+E licence is required.

 

When calculating the weight of a vehicle the maximum load that the vehicle, and any trailer used, can carry is taken into account for the purpose of the calculation.

 

A person must normally be at least 18 years old before they can hold a category C1 driving licence and normally at least 21 years old before they can hold a category C1+E driving licence.

 

Large sized vehicles

 

A category C driving licence is required to drive a vehicle over 7,500 kilograms.

 

Where a trailer is used under category C the trailer must not exceed 750 kilograms in weight. If it exceeds that weight but the total weight of the vehicle and the trailer weigh no more than 12,000 kilograms a category C+E licence is required.

 

When calculating the weight of a vehicle the maximum load that the vehicle, and any trailer used, can carry is taken into account for the purpose of the calculation.

 

A person must normally be at least 21 years old before they can hold a category C or category C+E driving licence.

 

Mowing machines

 

A category K driving licence is required to drive a mowing machine or vehicle, which is controlled by a pedestrian.

 

A person must be at least 16 years old before they can hold a category K driving licence.

 

Quad bikes

 

A category B1 driving licence is required to drive a quad bike where the unladen weight does not exceed 550 kilograms.

 

A person must normally be at least 17 years old before they can hold a category B1 driving licence.

 

Tax

 

Vehicles used solely for the purpose of agriculture are exempt from vehicle tax, although a valid tax disc, which is free to obtain, must still be displayed.

 

“Historic vehicles” (i.e. those constructed before 1 January 1973) are exempt from vehicle tax. Again a valid tax disc must be displayed.

 

Mowing machines do need to be taxed, under the mowing machine tax class.

 

Quad bikes

 

Quad bikes are required to be registered with DVLA before they can be used on public roads.

 

They can only be used for short distances on public roads and must have a number plate, be fitted with lamps and reflectors if they are to be used on public roads before sunrise or after sunset. They should also be fitted with indicators and a hazard warning light if they are capable of travelling above 15 miles per hour. If they are capable of travelling above 20 miles per hour a horn and a speedometer should also be fitted. If they are capable of travelling above 25 miles per hour a fog light should also be fitted.

 

The rider should make hand signals when changing direction or slowing down if the quad bike is not fitted with indicators and brake lights.

 

It is not permitted to carry passengers on a quad bike.

 

Red diesel

 

The use of red diesel (also known as “rebated fuel”) is only permitted in certain circumstances. These include the following circumstances:

 

where the vehicle is not used on a public road and does not have a licence;

 

where the vehicle is a tractor and it is designed and constructed primarily for off-road use and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes;

 

where the vehicle is a “light agricultural vehicle” (which includes quad bikes) and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes;

 

where the vehicle qualifies as an “agricultural material handler” and its use on a public road is for agricultural purposes;

 

where the vehicle is classed as an “agricultural engine” (which includes combine harvesters and crop sprayers) and it is travelling to or from the place where the vehicle is or has been used;

 

where the vehicle is classed as an “agricultural processing vehicle” (which includes mobile feed milling machines) and it is travelling to or from the place where the vehicle is or has been used;

 

where a vehicle is used only for agricultural purposes and it is travelling to or from different pieces of land occupied by the same person and the pieces of land are not more than 1.5 kilometres apart;

 

where the vehicle is a mowing machine;

 

where the vehicle is being used to clear snow from public roads or when it is travelling to and from the place at which it is used to clear snow.

 

There are stiff penalties for using red diesel illegally.

 

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[treequip]

In a word yes, he can register it AG, If you want me to I can register your Punto AG

 

The main issue is the claim that you can run it on red, the company seems to be a run of the mill jobbing tree surgeon so I would suggest that the only way it could be run on red is empty. As a tree surgeon you can’t carry a load on red, HMCE will fine you (if you are lucky) then second time around impound the vehicle pending payment of assessed duty.

[gensetsteve]

A farmer up the road has a hilux registered as ag. He uses it a couple of weeks a year during harvest apparently once ag you cant go back to plg ?

[Rupe]

The seller is in the latest Arb association mag, just passed his AAAC. Semhi Naveen? I think thats his name, matches the seller ID (NAV) and his company is touch trees.

[NI Tree]

rupe you beet me to it lol

 

it looks like a tidy set up he has too

Edited March 20, 2012 by NI Tree