One reason I use Aspen

[NI Tree]

i under stand that is why he is doing it and fair play to him

[Andy Collins]

Eddie, I'm not the one who empties the recycling bin, that's down to Mid Suffolk District Council, they're the ones who need education, not me. It's just one more thing that makes using the product a ballache, it's already expensive without extra hassles.

[Eddy_t]

Eddie, I'm not the one who empties the recycling bin, that's down to Mid Suffolk District Council, they're the ones who need education, not me. It's just one more thing that makes using the product a ballache, it's already expensive without extra hassles.

 

Pull the sticker off the can! Mine get taken away in the recycling bin

 

 

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[Andy Collins]

I did that too. Sometimes they don't look other times they rifle through the stuff looking to find fault. I've got an easier idea, though maybe a little off-the-wAll. Ill go to the local filling station, fill up my fuel cans, and use that instead. It's far easier I the long run, far cheaper, and a darned sight more convenient, and guess what.....it's available at many many outlets nationwide.

If you took this product to the Dragons on Dragons Den, what do you think they would make of it as an enterprise?

[treequip]

Hi, Yes Aspen costs more but it costs more to make.

 

Now I asked this once and was told it came from the same process as all other petrochemicals so how can it cost more?

 

Every litre of Aspen can be traced back to the blend it was made from in sweden.

Every bottle of Aspen is the same.

Not like pump fuel from the supermaket!!

 

So are you saying that the petrol from pumps is different each time and that the supermarkets are selling stuff without an audit trail? I find it hard to believe that anything that comes out of a refinery doesn’t have an audit trail or doesn’t meet the appropriate standard. How do you know this? Have you worked in petrol retail?

I for one have never had a problem with anything that came out of a forecourt pump and I have been running saws on it for the better end of 3 decades, it’s a sad thing if you have to tell us that your product is good because you consider the alternative poor when it’s clearly fit for purpose.

 

 

I am checking up about can recycling and will let you all know the facts

Do you think we don’t know about recycling? The only thing that’s significant is that recycling people have a H&S fit about anything harmful and petrochemicals falls into that one.

[agg221]

Now I asked this once and was told it came from the same process as all other petrochemicals so how can it cost more?

 

There are an enormous number of different petrochemicals. They vary initially in fractional distillation, subsequently in any further segregation, again in ongoing processing. Ethylene, for example, requires almost perfect separation to make viable polyethylene, whereas 'anything that boils in the right range' will do for diesel.

 

More refining = more cost.

 

 

So are you saying that the petrol from pumps is different each time and that the supermarkets are selling stuff without an audit trail? I find it hard to believe that anything that comes out of a refinery doesn’t have an audit trail or doesn’t meet the appropriate standard. How do you know this? Have you worked in petrol retail?

 

Yes, it definitively is. Not every time, but sometimes. Remember the silicone incident a few years back? There was a recent batch kicking around in my area that caught a few people too (including myself and my neighbour). The RAC bloke knew what would be wrong with it before he arrived, and he was right, it being about the 20th vehicle he had attended that day with the same problem. Garage confirmed it when they fixed it, but still my cost as you can't prove it.

 

I for one have never had a problem with anything that came out of a forecourt pump and I have been running saws on it for the better end of 3 decades, it’s a sad thing if you have to tell us that your product is good because you consider the alternative poor when it’s clearly fit for purpose.

 

Lucky you. As above, sometimes it's fit for purpose, sometimes it isn't. The day I took out the pot and piston on the 064 and 066 due to fuel issues, using fresh fuel straight from the pump and correctly mixed was an expensive day. Stihl confirmed that the mix was correct, they also confirmed it was a fuel issue. I didn't have the VAT receipt to prove where I bought the fuel, and there was no way to prove I had used that particular fuel in those particular saws. By the time the fuel had been analysed by Stihl it was a few weeks later, so no chance of analysing fuel from the garage I bought it at.

 

It's a lottery, and if you're lucky you'll never have a problem. If you do, it's an expensive one.

 

Do you think we don’t know about recycling? The only thing that’s significant is that recycling people have a H&S fit about anything harmful and petrochemicals falls into that one.

 

HDPE (i.e. milk bottles) are also petrochemicals.

 

Alec

[treequip]

 

 

HDPE (i.e. milk bottles) are also petrochemicals.

 

Alec

 

Whats its flashpoint, and if memory serves its a cross linked polymer.

 

Its not about the container its residue they are antsy about.

[agg221]

Whats its flashpoint, and if memory serves its a cross linked polymer.

 

Its not about the container its residue they are antsy about.

 

Flashpoint is 340degC, and it's not a crosslinked polymer but a modified thermoplastic, but it's still a petrochemical, although not subject to REACH.

 

I know it's the residue rather than the container they don't like, but the truth is that with the amount of rinsing/washing/polishing we are all supposed to do on every item of recyclable food packaging that crosses our threshold before they'll collect it, leaving the lid off an Aspen container to lose the last ml (after all, given the price, who in their right mind is going to leave any in there:001_smile:) is hardly an issue.

 

Alec

Edited February 28, 2013 by agg221

[treequip]

Flashpoint is 340degC, and yes it's a crosslinked polymer, but it's still a petrochemical, although not subject to REACH.

 

I know it's the residue rather than the container they don't like, but the truth is that with the amount of rinsing/washing/polishing we are all supposed to do on every item of recyclable food packaging that crosses our threshold before they'll collect it, leaving the lid off an Aspen container to lose the last ml (after all, given the price, who in their right mind is going to leave any in there:001_smile:) is hardly an issue.

 

Alec

 

But they still get antsy about it dont they??????????

[agg221]

But they still get antsy about it dont they??????????

 

Mine don't, but they're all a law unto themselves anyway. Mine have never complained about what's in the recycling - they just periodically stop coming up my road for a few weeks until we ring their boss (again - in the end it got so bad he gave my wife his mobile number to make flagging it easier).

 

I think the operators on the ground are a law unto themselves and sometimes make up their own rules, but clarifying with their boss seems to get results in my limited experience.

 

Alec

 

p.s. I wasn't thinking above - HDPE is not a crosslinked polymer - it's a non-crosslinked modified thermoplastic polymer (which means it relies on long chain entanglement rather than formal chemical bonding - think felt rather than woven cloth). Corrected in original post.