One reason I use Aspen

[geoff]

Not a prayer, but reducing the price would encourage dealers

 

Absolutely,it would also get more people using it.

 

Its a great product,with plausible reasons to use it,but distribution & price are a big holdback for some,must be a marketing nightmare.

[Dan Earp]

Just add the price to the job, and with the more you buy the less each 5ltrs will cost your client

 

 

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[GardenKit]

Tomorrow I will get through the best part of 5l, seven quid is enough to pay. Te seven quid I spend will be at the end of the street and not a 40 mile round trip

 

It comes out of my pocket each penny saved and all that

Fair enough, it is, after all, your choice.

And with your good fuel management its only your health that may suffer, not your saws.

[agg221]

Like Geoff I am lucky in having a local dealer, which helps. I could buy in bulk, and since it keeps forever it wouldn't be a problem, but some thieving git would probably set fire to it to cover their tracks, so I'm not inclined to. On costs, I think it's a more difficult equation.

 

Pump fuel round my way is about £7.15 for 5l. Stihl 2-stroke oil is about £1 to add to it, so 5l of mix is £8.15. This compares with Aspen which is currently £17 at my local dealer, i.e. an extra £9/5l can.

 

I can't talk about arb work, and how many litres you would get through in a day, but milling using efficient kit, last time I measured it I made 108 sq.ft of cut area from 0.9l of mix (an extra cost of £1.62). This is difficult to equate to cu.ft as obviously the thinner you cut, the more fuel you use for a given volume of timber, but it's still priced the same per cu.ft. However, take a worst case scenario (thinnest planks) of milling 1" boards, that would be 9cu.ft, so adding 18p/cu.ft.

 

In my case, I'm not selling it, but assuming I was then £20/cu.ft would be a reasonable baseline figure. That would be 1% of my total price. I also suspect that if I put my price up to £20.20 per cu.ft it wouldn't lose me any customers.

 

In practice though, this is irrelevant - I use Aspen because I like a whole load of things about it, so I'm happy to keep buying it, so long as the price doesn't rocket

 

Alec

[GardenKit]

Absolutely,it would also get more people using it.

 

Its a great product,with plausible reasons to use it,but distribution & price are a big holdback for some,must be a marketing nightmare.

I was initially worried that I would not sell Aspen because of the price. But within 18 months I have become the second largest 'over the counter' seller in the UK.

 

Sure enough, the first 'sell' is the hard one, but after that they just keep coming back for more and seldom mention the price again.

[treequip]

Fair enough, it is, after all, your choice.

And with your good fuel management its only your health that may suffer, not your saws.

 

I wondered how long that would take, its like a scratched record.

 

I am 47 and have used saws all my working life, it hasn't killed me yet and in all that time there hasn't been any talk in the trade press about pertrol killing chainsaw operators.

 

Do you have any evidence that petrol kills chainsaw operators??????

[geoff]

One big thing for me is that 2 stroke engines use oil in the fuel,the engines are not good ab burning all the fuel & oil,the oil emited from the exhaust also holds some fuel unburnt,if this fuel has Benzine & the likes in it,we are ingesting this on a daily basis,the implications to our health are widely publicised.

Whilst I consider pump fuel to be plausible for use in modern four stroke engines/cars etc,the use in hand held tools & more so 2 strokes,is a real threat to our health,take time to search for reasearch into this, its not a sales pitch,its a reality.

[treequip]

One big thing for me is that 2 stroke engines use oil in the fuel,the engines are not good ab burning all the fuel & oil,the oil emited from the exhaust also holds some fuel unburnt,if this fuel has Benzine & the likes in it,we are ingesting this on a daily basis,the implications to our health are widely publicised.

Whilst I consider pump fuel to be plausible for use in modern four stroke engines/cars etc,the use in hand held tools & more so 2 strokes,is a real threat to our health,take time to search for reasearch into this, its not a sales pitch,its a reality.

 

Dont worry about that, if you want to worry about something how about the (mineral oil) bar lube that gets chucked into the air you breathe

[geoff]

Workers using chain saws (and brush saws) are

exposed to benzene and 1,3-butadiene which are

considered to be known human carcinogens.

Very few chemicals are so classified.

Polyaromatic hydrocarbons, several of which are

suspect human carcinogens, are also in the

exhaust mix as is carbon monoxide.

Available data suggest that exposures to these

substances may reach unacceptable levels under

some working conditions. The sum of excess

cancer risks (without an estimate for PAH or

other suspected genetic toxicants in exhaust) is

estimated to be on the order of 10-3 to 10-5 (one

chance in 1,000 to one chance in 100,000). As

time-to tumour (latency) of benzene, and

differences among individuals in metabolizing

benzene are better defined, risk estimates may

change.

 

the whole article ,(pdf).http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/hfp/publications/00012/3-Dost-PowersawEmissions.pdf

[GardenKit]

I wondered how long that would take, its like a scratched record.

 

I am 47 and have used saws all my working life, it hasn't killed me yet and in all that time there hasn't been any talk in the trade press about pertrol killing chainsaw operators.

 

Do you have any evidence that petrol kills chainsaw operators??????

Ahh, but I never mentioned killing anyone, that was someone else. And if you notice I said "your health may suffer", not "will suffer".

 

There are all sorts of ways your health could suffer using petrol. Sure, you could breath enough benzene to cause leukaemia, but that will likely take a long time.

 

More likely that you will just be a bit more tired at the end of the day using petrol than you would be on Aspen.

Your chest might just be a little tighter after a day breathing petrol fumes, or you might have a bit of a headache.

 

You could possibly suffer all of these and not even be aware of it. But change to Aspen and there is a very reasonable chance that you will suddenly feel that be more 'alive' at the end of the day, but you won't know why.

 

Until you go back to petrol.

 

If you don't believe me, try it, but beware, you may be converted!