Dangers of top roping

[skyhuck]

By over-wrapped, i mean too many wraps, not badly wrapped. If a climber tells me two wraps then I give it two wraps. If that is too many, whose fault is that?

 

Even with too many wraps a good rope man would have had that dropping with a good flick, IMO.

[skyhuck]

By over-wrapped, i mean too many wraps, not badly wrapped. If a climber tells me two wraps then I give it two wraps. If that is too many, whose fault is that?

 

Just watched it again, there are not too many wraps, the groundie starts dropping it no problem,but after its hit the climber twice.

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

What if he had asked the groundie to let it run, the groundie says "no problem"

 

Is it still the climbers fault???

 

Also should a good groundie not be looking out for any error the climber makes, as often the groundie is the only one in a position to do anything after the error has been made.

 

I said ultimately, but everyone is part of a team and all have eyes and a brain, we all play our parts so everyone should be watching for the potentials, to be prepiared for rapid alterations.

 

these sort of things happen too fast, all the limits where being pushed here, but at the end of the day the climber didnt put his tie point high enough above the balance point so it went horizontal, other wise he could have pushed it away with more control on a tight line, and with a tug line attached the groundy could have also assisted in the control of the butt.

 

either way the section was too big for the situation. and that was the climbers choice/fault

[skyhuck]

I often wonder how many accidents happen because people are being filmed???

 

Would he have gone so big without the camera being there??, was it his first time going so big because the camera was there???

[MattyF]

I dont think any one blame can be pin pointed.... The climbers positioning is bad he can't move or see what's going on , I tip rig most of my stuff and my first rule is it's imperative that you can see and move out the way.... Also im pretty sure the groundy is not wearing gloves so can't let it run with out getting third degree burns!!I'm guessing this by the hand over hand motion in the way he lowers but I will slap my groundy if he has not got his gloves on for this reason especially if he's the sort of smart arse who tells you men don't wear gloves

[slimjimvw]

[Tony Croft aka hamadryad]

Also im pretty sure the groundy is not wearing gloves so can't let it run with out getting third degree burns!!I'm guessing this by the hand over hand motion in the way he lowers but I will slap my groundy if he has not got his gloves on for this reason especially if he's the sort of smart arse who tells you men don't wear gloves

 

I always let the groundy know when gloves will be needed!

[MattyF]

I always let the groundy know when gloves will be needed!

 

I tell him every time you pick up the lowering rope have gloves on! Keep them on the lowering device if you have to take them off.

[Able Fella]

Obviously the team in question made a mistake, good on them for posting the video on youtube for others to learn from, if I was to claim I havnt and will never make mistakes I would be talking out my ass, thanks for posting and Im glad your still around to tell the tale!

[arbogrunt]

the guy has learnt from his mistake and walked away from it...I would've had a smaller piece and let it run..live and learn!...no one ever complains about not being hit by a lump of wood