Question on employment / self employment wages

[farmer_ben]

I have been self employed now for over 2 yrs and get alot of work for a farmer who i charge a stardard rate for labour only, which i base on overtime rate if i was on paye.

 

i'd like to know by anyone who employes staff, if you pay some one £8.00 for 40hrs and then £12.00 overtime, and they do an average 50hrs total a week (£440). What are the additional costs that are going on top of the £440 a week, like NI contributions, holiday (5 weeks?) 3 sick days a year? etc etc. Just would like some idea as I often do the odd day for a farmer and they always querie when i say what i charge. But then again they querie most things!

 

Ben

[Justme]

About another £42.30 per week for holidays

 

1 x 10.4th to get 5 full weeks paid at same rate inc OT

 

They dont have to pay any sickness above SSP so unless they have sickness pay at normal rate in the contract you cant count it.

[Brett]

If you told a farmer that you will work for £2.50 per/hr and 2 cups of tea, he would haggle you down to 1 cup.

[likeitorlumpit]

I have been self employed now for over 2 yrs and get alot of work for a farmer who i charge a stardard rate for labour only, which i base on overtime rate if i was on paye.

 

i'd like to know by anyone who employes staff, if you pay some one £8.00 for 40hrs and then £12.00 overtime, and they do an average 50hrs total a week (£440). What are the additional costs that are going on top of the £440 a week, like NI contributions, holiday (5 weeks?) 3 sick days a year? etc etc. Just would like some idea as I often do the odd day for a farmer and they always querie when i say what i charge. But then again they querie most things!

 

Ben

 

where do i start

downtime cleaning/repairing tools

tools

soon to be pension provision

getting to site

PPE

I was once advised you need to charge 3 times what you want to earn

It's not far off the mark

[gensetsteve]

Watch out for the tax man if you do more than 60 percent for one customer and he provides the tools and materials they wont consider you se. Get plenty of other invoices through the books.

[Littletree]

Hi there if you are allways working for the same company / person then you need to be employed paye by them . I belive they are braking the law if you don't employee you and put you on the books They need to be paying your nat and tax for you . . Self employed status is for people that run there own providing all there own tools and Or working for many different people/ companys with you pricing your own work deciding what you will charge

 

I cannot give you info on holiday pay etc but a visit to your local CAB office should give you all the help you need.

 

All the best littletree .

[farmer_ben]

SE status isnt an issue, i send out anywhere between 6 to 12 different invoices a month and the income from that one chap probably equates to 35% of my earnings, we have discussed things and accountants on both sides are hapy with situation. I have all my own tools, tractor, hedge cutter and chainsaws etc. ANd its not his wage im concerned about.

 

Its the one days here and there, I that I am not sure I am charging enough. With them additional costs, a farmer is probably paying a good chap £15-£18 an hour (everything included in that), I should really be charging that really I suppose. Thanks Justme and Likeitorlumpt.

[DN22 Gardening]

we charge our gardeners out @ £15 per hr.

 

the amount of comments we get about "i wish i was on £15 an hour" is unreal

 

until you explain to them the situation with holiday pay, sick pay, travel time, fuel, insurance......the list goes on.

 

i usually stop when their eyes glaze over.....

[aiden]

£15-18 per hour sounds very low for tree work, i charge £15 hour for gardening and thats the going rate in cornwall. And for tree work i charge £25 per hour , i think that is the minimum you can charge and still cover insurance , tools premises....etc

[treebloke]

I need 12 people in all to carry out the work we do, so that means I have to emply 13, the extra one is to cover for holidays, sickness and general days off. Theoretically I will always have some one off work.