competent climbers

[Steve Bullman]

I was waiting for that one.

is it in your opinion to just have the relevant certification to satisfy the HSE,

Would you for example ask a newbie cs31 to fell a tree in private garden with the obvious sheds and green houses scattered about,

 

I think as far are most companies are concerned its about having the certification to satisfy HSE.

 

as for getting a newbie to fell a tree in that scenario...well that would be entirely dependant on the individual.

[Tom D]

Would you for example ask a newbie cs31 to fell a tree in private garden with the obvious sheds and green houses scattered about,

 

No, and the same could be said for the majority of the cs units, 38 is an exception since the title is climb trees and perform aerial rescue. Like Steve said, a real rescue scenario would require a competent climber. The fact that the nptc are prepared to pass climbers who clearly aren't competent only backs up the argument that this is a form filling excersise aimed at avoiding legal action, if they were really intersted in H&S the course would be more rigorous.

[Billy]

Candidates are given 40 minutes to perform a rescue, 15 would be a more useful test of a climbers ability.

 

 

Thats a surprise, I was tught and assesed being told 15 minutes...40 would be rediculous.

Whole things a goodidea, but no one ever really gets rescued so it'd cause alot of grief for everyone to help inasituation that will probably never arise imo.

[Tom D]

Thats a surprise, I was tught and assesed being told 15 minutes...40 would be rediculous.

Whole things a goodidea, but no one ever really gets rescued so it'd cause alot of grief for everyone to help inasituation that will probably never arise imo.

 

15 mins may have been what your instr.uctor was aiming for, but I am pretty sure that the time allowed on the test is 40

[treequip]

In an arterial bleed scenario you might have as little as 3 minutes before you injury renders you unable to help yourself leaving you in serious trouble, a couple more minutes and your troubles would be over.

 

If you are bleeding get yourself down ASAP, you don’t have time to wait for a rescue. Make sure your climbing line is always free to run, you don’t have time to arse about untangling brash and if it’s trapped under a log you could be passed out before it’s freed off.

 

One way to ensure the speedy recovery of an injured climber is for the climbers anchor point to be via a pulley or biner tied off at ground level. Anyone on the ground can then lower the climber and the entire climbing system out of the tree.

[Billy]

How's that work then?

[armchairarborist]

In an arterial bleed scenario you might have as little as 3 minutes before you injury renders you unable to help yourself leaving you in serious trouble, a couple more minutes and your troubles would be over.

 

If you are bleeding get yourself down ASAP, you don’t have time to wait for a rescue. Make sure your climbing line is always free to run, you don’t have time to arse about untangling brash and if it’s trapped under a log you could be passed out before it’s freed off.

 

One way to ensure the speedy recovery of an injured climber is for the climbers anchor point to be via a pulley or biner tied off at ground level. Anyone on the ground can then lower the climber and the entire climbing system out of the tree.

 

would that be one wrap or two? gloves don't come cheap you know:001_smile:

[Mark J]

Having your CS38 is prerequisite for doing CS39. Maybe they there could be the equivalent of an advanced driving course for the aerial rescue part. CS38+1...

[Mark J]

... The only way that people learn the situations in which a rescue might be called for is on the job. Without a CS39 then they're going to struggle to get to the experience of climbing to a level where they could realistically carry out a rescue.

[Lorry thompson]

I reckon in reality in most situations a climbers adrenaline will take over and they will get their self on the deck fast but if they are unconscious they will need the right Ariel rescuer but I've seen lads turn up for interviews with Ariel rescue tickets etc but say I don't want to climb as I'm scared of heights! Scary stuff IMO Ariel rescue should be the hardest course to pass