Red diesel prices

[skyhuck]

is everyone still able to get red?? we had a note from our supplier that they can only now supply the low-sulpher alternative...... anyone else had this??

 

Its still red.

[twistedhicap]

the red diesel for off road equipment now has to be ULS its still rebated fuel and dyed and tracered red but some of the price incress in red is due to this new reg of red having to be ULS and more to do with fluctuating world oil price and our robbing government !

 

the only old school gas oil ie red diesel non ULS that is avaliable is for heating fuel where a 35 second oil is requred the use of this in offroad equipment is now governed against !

[arbwork]

my last 1500 ltrs 1022.96 inc tax = 0.6819 per ltr

[robbo 110]

Its still red.

 

i ask as a customer today was filling up his 360 with what i thought was 'white'

when i asked him he claimed to of brought two 20 litre cans from the local hire shop.... for £50!!!!!!! ?????????? he told me it was the new replacement for 'red'!!! nothing else available........ clearly that isnt the case!!!!

[twistedhicap]

the "new red is white d red for rebate purposes ! pump fuel dyed red for rebate purposes !

[Big Bolt]

Had a note from ben burgess at norwich saying that john deere will not cover any faults if the veh has been run on the low sulper red diesel unless it meets en950 standard

to find this out you will have to ring your supplier, also stated the ultra low sulpher diesel can contain 15% bio fuel this could lead to storage proplems

[twistedhicap]

Had a note from ben burgess at norwich saying that john deere will not cover any faults if the veh has been run on the low sulper red diesel unless it meets en950 standard

to find this out you will have to ring your supplier, also stated the ultra low sulpher diesel can contain 15% bio fuel this could lead to storage proplems

 

Deere will not honour any work on there new tractors that havent been run on ULS red as they are now producing Teir 4 engines which require the new ULSRD

 

All fule supplied should meet the new BS standard as it is upto the suppliers to make sure they do or they are also liable for a telling of !

 

ULSD AND ULSRD are allowed to be supplied with a BIO content of UPTO 7% this is the bs standard !

 

Here is a qoute from this site worth a read makes it all clear !

 

http://www.smmt.co.uk/downloads/Changes-Spec-NR-Gas-Oil-261110.pdf

 

The SMMT Off Highway Engine and Equipment Group (OHEEG) wish to highlight some important changes

to the specifications of Gas Oil (Red Diesel) for use in non-road mobile machines (NRMM) such as

construction equipment, agricultural harvesters and agricultural tractors. The changes will also affect red

diesel used for inland waterway vessels.

The changes will require additional care during the handling & storage of red diesel, and, during the

transition period may require additional attention to the fuel systems of the NRMM.

Background

The 2009/30/EC amendment to the European Fuel Quality Directive, 98/70/EC, requires that, from 1st

January 2011, all gas oil for use in all NRMM must contain no more than 10 milligrams of sulphur per

kilogram of fuel. This is a reduction of 99% (from the current 1000 mg/kg limit) and brings the sulphur level

in the NRMM fuel to the same low level as already exists in the (white) diesel used by road vehicles. Fuel

with such a low sulphur limit is often referred to as ‘sulphur free’

The change to sulphur-free fuel is required in order to enable the introduction of engines that comply with the

latest EU NRMM engine emissions standards. Sulphur progressively and permanently degrades the

emission control systems of these engines and can damage the engine itself.

Fuel standards for ‘Red Diesel’

'Red Diesel' is reference to gas oil containing a red marker dye. This dye is used to indicate that the fuel is

subject to a different taxation category to that applied to diesel used in road vehicles. This is the primary

reason why red diesel is a lower cost than road diesel.

Red Diesel is used in non-road machines, stationary engines, heating plant & marine vessels. Historically

the specification of the fuel used in all these applications was fairly similar. Now there will be distinctly

different types of red diesel according to purpose for which it will be used.

In the UK, British Standard (BS) 2869 covers the land-based grades and the 2010 update to this standard,

BS 2869:2010, which introduced the required 10mg sulphur per kg fuel limit, became effective from 15th

November. The grade required for NRMM is Class A2: ‘Automotive distillate fuel for non-road mobile

machinery’.

As the new sulphur limit is the same as for the diesel for use in road vehicles, the oil industry expects to

meet part of the demand for sulphur-free red diesel by supplying road fuel with the red excise marker dye

added for NRMM use. The road diesel specification, EN590:2009, allows the inclusion of up to 7% FAME

(Fatty Acid Methyl Ester), the basis for Bio-diesel. The UK Department for Transport (DfT) has estimated

that diesel with up to 7% FAME could account for around 25% of the fuel supplied for NRMM use (depending

upon fuel supplier).

[twistedhicap]

Fuel Quality Directive Gas Oil Requirements

 

also worth a good read !

[TRADITIONAL LOGGERS]

Is it correct that both "White" and "Red" diesel will now be the same except from the colour and price?

 

This means vehicles should run cleaner with less smoke and as modern diesel fuel contains at least 8% bio diesel then valves/pistons should have decent lube.

 

Price should go down if less products added:001_rolleyes:

[twistedhicap]

Is it correct that both "White" and "Red" diesel will now be the same except from the colour and price?

 

This means vehicles should run cleaner with less smoke and as modern diesel fuel contains at least 8% bio diesel then valves/pistons should have decent lube.

 

Price should go down if less products added:001_rolleyes:

 

yes all fuel be it for a DERV vehicle or for a NRMM will or should be ULSD one dyed red for rebate taxation!

 

Hopefully the addition of bio will compensate for the lack of lubrication from the loss of the sulphur also with only 7% bio the effect on seals should be minimal not that any degredation of seals is good !

 

oh and the cost of the diesel will go up as the process to remove the sulphur costs moeny rather than just pump it outa the ground refine it and sell !

 

 

Read the links above and it describes the reasons and effects !

Edited February 26, 2011 by twistedhicap
missed last bit out !