Why is the pay so low??

[18 stoner]

I think that is one reason why arb is low paid because of the old connections to forestry and farming.

At least with farming find the right job you may get a house included, then farm workers are on a dam good wage . this is from first hand experiance now having to pay rent to live in the house i used to get with my old job! and earn the same amount each week.

 

But is urban forestry not part of forestry/farming? Sometimes it can be if the relevant benefits can be applied:sneaky2:

 

In my 25 years experience of farming, the wages were very similar having a tied house or not. It is always in the farmers best interest to keep workers on site, for those unexpected events when they feel free to call on you!

[Paul Jenks]

I think the main reasons are covered in this discussion with 2 exceptions.

1.There is a general lack of awareness by the clients of the amount of time, money, education and hard work that goes into putting a good arborist into a tree and more effort by the industry needs to be put into this.

2. It's a great job and I love it. It's hardcore. You wanna be a plumber? Get a blowtorch.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Monkey-D
please watch your language

[Ian Flatters]

I think the main reasons are covered in this discussion with 2 exceptions.

1.There is a general lack of awareness by the clients of the amount of time, money, education and hard work that goes into putting a good arborist into a tree and more effort by the industry needs to be put into this.

2. It's a great job and I love it. It's hardcore. You wanna be a plumber? Get a blowtorch.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

.

Edited April 26, 2010 by Monkey-D
Edited quote

[Bolt]

Its simply down to supply and demand.

 

Its a job that ticks all the boxes for a certain type of person...

 

Outdoor job..

Bit of excitment..

Bit of "danger"..

Bit "glam"..

Gets you out and about..

 

 

 

Basically, its just old fashoned fun.

 

Once you have got a basic set of qualifications, you will basically work for nothing in order to get some experiance (look through some of the posts of starters on here for proof).

 

How many new pumbers would say that (after all, I wouldn't do plumming for £30K).

[arbclimber]

It matters not what the job is, you'll never make money working for someone else.

 

Ill tell my brother that, he is employed and has a salary of £180 K a year plus a £20k Xmas bonus.

[Asplen]

Case study.

 

========================================================

 

Asplen stumbles across myhammer website. For those who do not know it is a site very much like ebay but in reverse, clients place jobs they want doing on the site and then traders underbid each other until the "auction/tender" ends.

 

Asplen finds a job described as "60ft willow needs reducing, all waste taking away". There is a picture included in the picture, it is a lapsed pollard of a crack willow and it is indeed 60ft+.

 

Asplen "asks a question" RE access, how far to the road, are there any valuables under the tree such as green houses as these things need to be known before bidding on a job.

 

Asplen receives no response to the question and AAACarpetman wins the auction for £100.

 

Looking through AAACarpetmans auction history on the site he is as one might suspect; a carpet fitter.

 

========================================================

 

The pay is low because entirely unskilled people will accept pay for work that is wholly unsustainable for a professional outfit.

 

To the lay person tree works is not a skilled arboricultural/biomechanical discipline and is merely an extension of gardening.

[smiles]

Its simply down to supply and demand.

 

Its a job that ticks all the boxes for a certain type of person...

 

Outdoor job..

Bit of excitment..

Bit of "danger"..

Bit "glam"..

Gets you out and about..

 

 

 

Basically, its just old fashoned fun.

 

Once you have got a basic set of qualifications, you will basically work for nothing in order to get some experiance (look through some of the posts of starters on here for proof).

 

How many new pumbers would say that (after all, I wouldn't do plumming for £30K).

 

Very true this,alot of jobs seem to pay you well for the inconvenience of being there (shift premiums etc) whereas if it's a vocational thing the money is certainly less at the begining because you don't need to be drawn in - you're already running towards it anyway!

[Heads up]

Part of the reason is alot of tree work isn't essential, unlike plumbing.

IF you don't get your plumbering sorted yor quality of life changes ie. no running water, heating, toilet etc. If a tree isn't pruned......well it just gets bigger, its not an essential.

tree work is oft times a luxury to the client, yes there are times it's essential, but generally not.

[TheTreeWiseMen]

It matters not what the job is, you'll never make money working for someone else.

 

My 4 man crew would disagree.

[Dionysus]

right now my boss is paying me £6.85 an hour for groundwork and gives me a 20 pound a day bonus before tax for climbing, im fully qualified nptc cs 30 31 38 39, pa1/6 and a nvq lvl 2 in arb. thats above minimum wage, but still what i would consider a low wage, now ive only got 1 and a half years experience, but i would consider that low pay for my skill level.

 

i can climb pretty damn well, and my boss has used me as a charge hand/climber in the past, and also has me as the stand in climber if anyone takes sick days etc, ive done dismantles and big chogging, and fine tip reductions, am i not worth the extra money? or is this all a matter of the experience you possess?

 

obviously with only 1 and a half years experience im not going to spot some of the things you older guys would pick up on straightaway, but i still get whatever work is given to me done by the end of the day.

 

do i deserve a payrise?