new truck or van

[Tree monkey 1682]

36 minutes ago, NJA said:

I've got an 02 jimny.  Yes they are scary at motorway speeds, and motorway speeds being 55mph in a jimny!  But the older type develop 'death wobble' which your other mate likely had (mine has) if fixed makes a massive difference. 

The OP originally asked about a lower tax runaround alternative to the pickup he already had.  The jimny is great, cheap local runaround, incredibly reliable, cheap parts, fun to drive and amazing offload.  I havn't tried more than 750kg unbraked towing.  Its fine for small stump grinders etc.

If OP wants a luxury vehicle to regularly tow 3.5t then don't go for the jimny, but be prepared to pay a lot more tax.  Everyone's requirements are different.

Oh come on, I gout our jimny upto 90mph, but it needs a slab in the back and to anticipate the bounces

[Tree monkey 1682]

6 hours ago, Oldfeller said:

anything after the discovery 2 seems riddled with problems, electrical and plenty other known faults, including a propensity to snap the crankshaft for fun.

I firmly believe  landrovers lost its way , most of them are crap, missed the design brief and now are geared up for twats in cities , esp the new defender that looks like a freelander .

So my link to landrover was personal , grandfather worked on proto types of vehicles, specialist conversions,  design flaws, and alone on his  name ,job in body in white I could get a job anywhere.

But I can remember alot of issues with v8 diesels and v6 diesels , the engine couldnt take strain along with other issues and he was liaising with gmc at the time . My grandfather died in 99, but I knew about the freelander before it was out, the storm engine, v6/v8 engines , the discovery proto types ,  sv vehicles.  Range rovers etc, and a whole list of  other stuff that I can't remember at the age of 42.

I do believe he'd  be turning in his grave at what has happend to landrover and there direction now

[AHPP]

My Vitara was fine at seventy or eighty. They are bigger than a Jimny though. God bless small cars all round though. My 998cc Peugeot 107 hit the limiter at 92 in third. I'm looking at a 550cc or 660cc kei truck for my next vehicle. For the sex appeal over practicality you understand.

[NJA]

39 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Oh come on, I gout our jimny upto 90mph, but it needs a slab in the back and to anticipate the bounces

I salute you for your bravery sir!  That was down hill, with the wind behind you though right?  Mine would probably only reach that if it was parked on the eurostar.

[NJA]

26 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I firmly believe  landrovers lost its way , most of them are crap, missed the design brief and now are geared up for twats in cities , esp the new defender that looks like a freelander .

So my link to landrover was personal , grandfather worked on proto types of vehicles, specialist conversions,  design flaws, and alone on his  name ,job in body in white I could get a job anywhere.

But I can remember alot of issues with v8 diesels and v6 diesels , the engine couldnt take strain along with other issues and he was liaising with gmc at the time . My grandfather died in 99, but I knew about the freelander before it was out, the storm engine, v6/v8 engines , the discovery proto types ,  sv vehicles.  Range rovers etc, and a whole list of  other stuff that I can't remember at the age of 42.

I do believe he'd  be turning in his grave at what has happend to landrover and there direction now

When I looked round the Solihull factory, they admitted, their words not mine 'why make a £40k car for farmers when you can make a £100k car for city boys'

[monkeybusiness]

21 minutes ago, NJA said:

When I looked round the Solihull factory, they admitted, their words not mine 'why make a £40k car for farmers when you can make a £100k car for city boys'

I did the factory tour of the old Defender line too - the other issue was how labour intensive it was to build compared to the modern range. 

[Mick Dempsey]

I thought it was purely because the Defender was never going to pass modern safety standards,  ncap tests etc.

[Oldfeller]

57 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

I firmly believe  landrovers lost its way , most of them are crap, missed the design brief and now are geared up for twats in cities , esp the new defender that looks like a freelander .

So my link to landrover was personal , grandfather worked on proto types of vehicles, specialist conversions,  design flaws, and alone on his  name ,job in body in white I could get a job anywhere.

But I can remember alot of issues with v8 diesels and v6 diesels , the engine couldnt take strain along with other issues and he was liaising with gmc at the time . My grandfather died in 99, but I knew about the freelander before it was out, the storm engine, v6/v8 engines , the discovery proto types ,  sv vehicles.  Range rovers etc, and a whole list of  other stuff that I can't remember at the age of 42.

I do believe he'd  be turning in his grave at what has happend to landrover and there direction now

the founder of the company I worked for was putting rover v8,s into series one,s long before landrover even thought of the concept, went on to enter the paris-dakar as an independent with a chevy motored 110, I told him to ditch the LR gearbox for a yank one,,, didn't listen, box literally melted the plastic bearing carriers somewhere in the desert! fitted a spare box in an attempt to finish, same thing happened. game over.

I put a buick v8 in an old army lightweight that was officially clocked at 124.5 mph, it destroyed gearboxes and axles on a weekly basis. I sold it and bought a chevy blaser, only thing that broke in the 4 years I had it was the left hand headlamp when a branch hit it.

I agree landrover have definitely lost it a while ago.

And I think your grandfather and I would have gotten along famously. respect.

Edited 1 hour ago by Oldfeller

[NJA]

1 hour ago, Mick Dempsey said:

I thought it was purely because the Defender was never going to pass modern safety standards,  ncap tests etc.

Yea they said that as well actually, make a £40k car bolted together by hand or get a robot to make a £100k car.  Long and short of it, no they're not 'proper landrovers' as we know them they've just joined the big SUV brand lineup, but it comes down to £'s profit per car coming off the production line. 

LR have always been something quite unique but now, impressive yes, unique no.  Will the brand have the same image in a few years time?

Sorry, a diversion from original post

Edited 33 minutes ago by NJA

[NJA]

1 hour ago, monkeybusiness said:

I did the factory tour of the old Defender line too - the other issue was how labour intensive it was to build compared to the modern range. 

Meant to quote this post.