Learning rigging

[AHPP]

22 hours ago, kram said:

I should also get proper rigging gear rather than old climbing rope.

Bolam summed that up so well in a thread a few months ago. Climbing rope deemed untrustworthy to support a 100kg man but somehow fine to swing 400kg pieces over a £20,000 conservatory. 

[Mesterh]

There is no logic in that. A conservatory is worth more than a Bolam!

 

[kram]

16 hours ago, Mick Dempsey said:

If you are lowering that yourself, taking wraps as friction up the tree (as it appears) then I think you’re getting a décent handle on it on your own.

Running it yourself is laden with risk, best to keep it small and ‘snub’ it.

 

Thanks, I did get it wrong as the attachment end of rope fell the wrong side of the stub but it was away from other gear, no damage but I'd planned it to swing to the left and let it run away from the garage. The extra friction of it being the wrong side, stopped it running.

 

I am somewhat unsure how much weight you can drop on a normal rope or gear before it needs to be better gear.

I was estimating that top in the video to be around 30-40kg. Tried to lift it today, and its atleast double. I should probably have lowered it in two peices or climbed higher to cut and chuck.

 

On 01/10/2025 at 21:52, Ledburyjosh said:

Get your groundy to put the phone down and work the lines..

Very true, but it was a customer video and I was working alone. I would have liked help with this job but she was not going to pay the extra and I wanted to do it anyway. Ofcourse that requires extra care, takes longer and ideally more experience. OTOH I have all the time with no one waiting for me.

 

14 hours ago, 5thelement said:

And don’t go down your usual route of getting training/tickets from Mickey Mouse drunken Irishmen, get a proper Instructor who knows stuff. 

I cant disagree with that however the local Kingswood and Plumpton do not appear to want my money unless I find the three other students for the course and wait a year for an instructor to become available.

If its box ticking only, I shall attempt to find somone experienced to mentor me, which I prefer anyway.

"Those that can, do. Those that cant, teach" as the saying goes...

I do wonder if the arb collages are just like barber shop money laundering fronts...

Anyway for cs31 and 38/39 I was already climbing and there was not much learned from the course.

 

2 hours ago, AHPP said:

Bolam summed that up so well in a thread a few months ago. Climbing rope deemed untrustworthy to support a 100kg man but somehow fine to swing 400kg pieces over a £20,000 conservatory. 

 

I agree and plan to get a proper rigging rope before I do any more.

The rope I used was not a retired one, good condition but it was slightly older, 10mm rock climbing rope. I'd still happily jump off some rock attached to it.

 

Thanks

Edited 2 hours ago by kram

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1 hour ago, kram said:

I am somewhat unsure how much weight you can drop on a normal rope or gear before it needs to be better gear.

I was estimating that top in the video to be around 30-40kg. Tried to lift it today, and its atleast double. I should probably have lowered it in two peices or climbed higher to cut and chuck.

 

Then err on the side of caution. If you think it's 40kg, pretend it's 200kg. 40x11 (for a worst case, dead stop - like a fall factor 2 in rock climbing parlance) is a lot of force.

 

And get your wraps right so you don't pinch. Every rig is a job interview. For natural crotch, get some 3 strand. 16mm Marlow is cheap and good. I've not used it but polysteel from ebay looks fine.

 

Your anchor is weak too. One pulley on side scaffold is a big lever. You want two, ideally perfectly angle-split but if you need to reach the other stem so be it, pull it together. Flick the V fingers like Churchill (Prime Minister, not dog). You'd rather have them pushed together than pulled apart.

 

Don't fcking die.

Edited 1 hour ago by AHPP

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1 hour ago, kram said:

I am somewhat unsure how much weight you can drop on a normal rope or gear before it needs to be better gear.

It’s probably written on the gear. Or at least on the advert. Learn what minimum breaking strength/load and safe working load or working load limit mean. 

[AHPP]

And don’t fcking die.