NPTC/LANTRA assessment failures

[Tree monkey 1682]

17 minutes ago, kram said:

My experience is the opposite, assesors tend to hand out certificates without much care if the student is any good at it.

 

Hedger and brush cutter was paid for by rail boss, was 10 minutes talk, couple minutes cutting each, then given the slip of paper, told to turn our phones off and disapear until 4pm, this was at about 8:30am.

One of them was 100% green never used outdoor tools before. A week later, he is using hedger above his head, drops and catches it, amputating his finger. It got sewn back on..

 

Doing my CS31, one of the guys was unsafe, cut through his hinge, he didnt know the different felling cuts and had to be taughg by assesor, and didnt have proper control of a saw. Assesor passed him anyway, knowing he was in work for a local company and should quickly learn.

The other guy was unable to safely use a saw and got told to find a different industry.

 

When it came to cs38/39, the first guy had greatly improved and could now use a saw correctly, but was green with climbing, knots etc...

 

 

 

I'm guessing that's lantra certs,bit like npors -same person trains and asses you?

Never had lantra certs or training 

[AHPP]

Well this has been as much use as I suspected it might. Perhaps I should have made it a poll. Perhaps I should have asked on Facebook. Perhaps I just shouldn’t have bothered. 
 

I was asking in the hope of seeing a trend where a certain assessor/institution failed lots of people, perhaps indicating a reasonable standard. 

[Tree monkey 1682]

20 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Well this has been as much use as I suspected it might. Perhaps I should have made it a poll. Perhaps I should have asked on Facebook. Perhaps I just shouldn’t have bothered. 
 

I was asking in the hope of seeing a trend where a certain assessor/institution failed lots of people, perhaps indicating a reasonable standard. 

Haha , you trying to find an easier awarding body ? 🤣

 

[AHPP]

No. A harder one. 

[5thelement]

I could quite easily go and target certain colleges and training providers whose Instructors are winging it at best, and fail every one of them, I choose not to.
I assess for a small, select group of top quality Instructors, who I know are top of their game, have been for years and are still heavily involved commercially in the industry at a high level. 
The training, sites and kit are top notch, and the results are generally very positive for the candidates involved, I choose to be involved in this instead. 

[Joe Newton]

41 minutes ago, AHPP said:

Well this has been as much use as I suspected it might. Perhaps I should have made it a poll. Perhaps I should have asked on Facebook. Perhaps I just shouldn’t have bothered. 
 

I was asking in the hope of seeing a trend where a certain assessor/institution failed lots of people, perhaps indicating a reasonable standard. 

The problem is, training and assessing is a business for these people. Arb companies want to pay their money and get a ticket. A training provider with a lower pass rate will struggle for work.

 

Same with assessors. If they're too tough and look for a reason to fail candidates, the training provider will just use a different more amenable assessor in future.

 

Not saying it's right, but it's definitely a huge factor. 

[Tree monkey 1682]

17 minutes ago, 5thelement said:

I could quite easily go and target certain colleges and training providers whose Instructors are winging it at best, and fail every one of them, I choose not to.
I assess for a small, select group of top quality Instructors, who I know are top of their game, have been for years and are still heavily involved commercially in the industry at a high level. 
The training, sites and kit are top notch, and the results are generally very positive for the candidates involved, I choose to be involved in this instead. 

I was picky over training providers ,id rather have gone to private training providers  than the whole college crap and you are just a number .

I never did give a fk about being failed as long as the was a genuine reason for it and what I did.

But also that certain college heald other certs back also ,so nptc Stoneleigh never saw them..

Laugh as much as you want but the isn't many years of experience between me and you .

[5thelement]

11 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Laugh as much as you want but the isn't many years of experience between me and you

No one is laughing at anyone. 

[Dan Maynard]

I've done I think 5 tickets at the same centre, and definitely seen two fails out of what must be something like 12 people I've been assessed with - one on rigging course, one on UA1. 

 

I believe the owner of the training centre had previously worked at the local college and hated the pressure to pass everyone regardless. I'd also add the training we did was above and beyond the basic requirements of the ticket, to me it's a good centre which is why I kept going back.

[Mark Bolam]

1 hour ago, Joe Newton said:

The problem is, training and assessing is a business for these people. Arb companies want to pay their money and get a ticket. A training provider with a lower pass rate will struggle for work.

 

Same with assessors. If they're too tough and look for a reason to fail candidates, the training provider will just use a different more amenable assessor in future.

 

Not saying it's right, but it's definitely a huge factor. 

 

Huge truth.

 

I’m going back a long way, quarter of a century or so, but I’m pretty sure I was awarded LANTRA for completing the 5-day course?

My NPTC was separate, the following week.

 

Just to muddy the waters, when I passed it was a ‘ticket for life’.

This renewal bollocks came later on as another cash cow for the training industry.

 

I passed my 31 because I put the chainbrake on every 1.5 seconds.

I try not to use it now at all because I’m a tight northern bastard.

I’ve actually turned into one of those old pricks that failed the assessment….