Chalkwell tree failure

[Tree monkey 1682]

Councils are too slow felling old,dangerous trees...

Can think of about 3-4 incidents of children being injured or fatally ..due to trees that should of been removed.

Get over it ,it's a tree,trees get old,weak and fail.

Does make u wonder how the weight of a few children makes a limb fail .

[Steven P]

21 minutes ago, Tree monkey 1682 said:

Does make u wonder how the weight of a few children makes a limb fail .

 

 

Static loading will probably be OK, but dynamic, swinging on adds different stresses I'd imagine?

[Tree monkey 1682]

1 hour ago, Steven P said:

 

 

Static loading will probably be OK, but dynamic, swinging on adds different stresses I'd imagine?

I was lucky once , I was a fat bugger  14 stone due to medication ,I was about 12 messing around on a willow tree  guess crack willow  on a limb that was 2ft round ...it  sheared/failed and dumped me in a river luckily it didn't pin me under the water.... . It could have gone the other way.

I'm not sure if dynamic or static loading makes a difference or if trees just get to a failure point .. if x weight gets put on it then it's going to fail no matter what .

It is just shit that it happened when kids were  on it playing on it .

Bloody poor tree stock management ....

[Oldfeller]

owner of a place I worked at for some time told me about pinching apples from an abandoned garden, pretty much all the low fruit had gone so he went higher, he's a big lad, strong, fit, good at school sports etc,not fat and sluggish, pretty much as high as he could get with jumper tucked in jeans and bulging with fruit,, branch gave way and down he went breaking more branches on the way down, and then got impaled through his stomach and hung some 6-8 feet from the ground, on his own he emptied the apples from the bulging jumper and with some effort lifted himself from the branch that was embedded in his guts, then hold everything in as best he could he walked to the hospital as he couldn't ride his bicycle and hold his guts in, he made it but collapsed in the entrance, thankfully he fully recovered.

I recall we were at Bovington camp sitting around a campfire, like a scene from jaws swapping stories about injuries.

[Pete Mctree]

I wrote a long convoluted post that AHPP would have been proud of. Very passive aggressive with that narcissistic twist. I deleted it and wrote something more appropriate.

 

The whole story is tragic. The tree has obviously been maintained and monitored and worked upon. The propping and pruning (along with the removal of the bench) demonstrates a considered approach to a tree in decline . However I think we are sometimes so preoccupied with retention, that we become blinkered to the option of removal of a potentially unsafe tree.

 

we live in a world where we are criticised for the removal of every significant tree and held in contempt for everyone that fails. It is a no win situation.

 

I feel for the families involved- it must be heartbreaking.

[AHPP]

Well now I'm curious.

Edited Sunday at 22:05 by AHPP

[monkeybusiness]

36 minutes ago, Pete Mctree said:

I wrote a long convoluted post that AHPP would have been proud of. Very passive aggressive with that narcissistic twist. I deleted it and wrote something more appropriate.

 

The whole story is tragic. The tree has obviously been maintained and monitored and worked upon. The propping and pruning (along with the removal of the bench) demonstrates a considered approach to a tree in decline . However I think we are sometimes so preoccupied with retention, that we become blinkered to the option of removal of a potentially unsafe tree.

 

we live in a world where we are criticised for the removal of every significant tree and held in contempt for everyone that fails. It is a no win situation.

 

I feel for that families involved- it must be heartbreaking.

There is the ‘fence off and retain’ option too, but obviously not always possible.

It’s a horribly sad event, and ultimately blame will end at someone’s door.

(I doubt very much that the person the finger ends up pointing at did anything untoward). 

[Mesterh]

50 minutes ago, Pete Mctree said:

I wrote a long convoluted post that AHPP would have been proud of. Very passive aggressive with that narcissistic twist. I deleted it and wrote something more appropriate.

 

The whole story is tragic. The tree has obviously been maintained and monitored and worked upon. The propping and pruning (along with the removal of the bench) demonstrates a considered approach to a tree in decline . However I think we are sometimes so preoccupied with retention, that we become blinkered to the option of removal of a potentially unsafe tree.

 

we live in a world where we are criticised for the removal of every significant tree and held in contempt for everyone that fails. It is a no win situation.

 

I feel for that families involved- it must be heartbreaking.

All of the above but ATM this more importantly imo "I feel for that families involved- it must be heartbreaking."

 

RIP to the little girl and all my best wishes for a full recovery to the other kids.

 

 

 

 

[Oldfeller]

we all experience events in our lives that once happen become memories, some are pleasant and others unfortunately are not.

I'll wager almost everyone on here has climbed trees as a youngster, and has fond,memories of it, those unfortunate children would have had those fond memories but for this tragic turn of events, now a chain reaction of grief and sorrow has begun with the parents at the very pinnacle.

life can be unexplainably  cruel at times. 

 

[kram]

Bbc had an update that the children were just walking past when it occured. 40-50 people attempted to lift the fallen limb.

 

 

Comparing to pic on first page, the whole upper canopy has ripped out. The enormous propped lateral limb appears to be intact.

Edited 18 hours ago by kram